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#6344191 - 10/09/18 06:16 PM High school kids saying the Pledge
FlyinFinn Offline
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Registered: 11/18/12
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At the local VFW meeting a young girl approached the meeting to ask us to write a letter in support of her effort to restart the ritual of reciting the Pledge of Allegiance each morning before school starts in the high school. I was surprised that they weren't saying it all along. I do k ow my two elementary aged daughters recite it in their classrooms. They stopped about 2 years ago in the high school for no apparent reason. We agreed to her request.

Personally, I am ambivalent about the issue. I don't care too much if they do or don't. As a taxpayer I do not want to be held financially liable because some pimple farm was forced to do something that deeply offended it. I hope the clause allowing sad sacks to sit down and pout while the pledge is recited is an option left open to students.

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#6344215 - 10/09/18 06:44 PM Re: High school kids saying the Pledge [Re: FlyinFinn]
marathonman Offline
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Registered: 04/06/12
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No respect in this country anymore starting in the school system!

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#6344219 - 10/09/18 06:48 PM Re: High school kids saying the Pledge [Re: marathonman]
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Registered: 06/15/10
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Loc: Iowa
Originally Posted By: marathonman
No respect in this country anymore starting in the school system home!


smile I agree.
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#6344220 - 10/09/18 06:49 PM Re: High school kids saying the Pledge [Re: FlyinFinn]
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The new Kerry, all over again.
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#6344222 - 10/09/18 06:51 PM Re: High school kids saying the Pledge [Re: FlyinFinn]
snowy Offline
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Registered: 12/26/11
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FlyinFinn >>>> what a shame this country has come too. No respect is taught or shown for the country we live in because we might hurt someone feeling and their beliefs.

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#6344239 - 10/09/18 07:09 PM Re: High school kids saying the Pledge [Re: FlyinFinn]
Getting There Offline
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Loc: West Michigan
I hear this all the time, you have to be politically correct, BS, I do not want any politician setting any standard of speech for me. I have lost a lot of respect for our politician but not for our system. I am for the Pledge and Pray in our class rooms. If a person does not like it then do not participate, if it hurts your feeling, to bad you made the choice. JMO
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#6344248 - 10/09/18 07:15 PM Re: High school kids saying the Pledge [Re: FlyinFinn]
ratbrain Offline
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Registered: 11/14/08
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Loc: Illinois
Our Grandson goes to St. Paul Lutheran school. They say the Pledge EVERY morning and at chapel on Wednesdays.

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#6344254 - 10/09/18 07:19 PM Re: High school kids saying the Pledge [Re: FlyinFinn]
snowy Offline
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^ outstanding! In grade school we did the pledge and prayed in morning and at noon.


Edited by snowy (10/09/18 07:21 PM)

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#6344357 - 10/09/18 09:03 PM Re: High school kids saying the Pledge [Re: FlyinFinn]
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What does it really accomplish? Nothing, the kids stand up half halfheartedly go through it and it is forgotten 10 seconds later. I have never understood why this is a big deal, no one is having a real "patriotic" experience when they do it, no one loves their country because they are forced to do it. I never understood why people get so riled up over it one way or the other.

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#6344368 - 10/09/18 09:12 PM Re: High school kids saying the Pledge [Re: FlyinFinn]
bwhntr100 Offline
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Registered: 01/05/12
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Loc: Jacksonville, IL
And donnersurviver, you never will.

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#6344372 - 10/09/18 09:19 PM Re: High school kids saying the Pledge [Re: FlyinFinn]
ShawneeMan Offline
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Registered: 08/10/15
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Maybe they don't have a real patriotic experience because they've never been taught about what some people endured or the blood that was spilled to give them the right to even say a pledge.
Look at some parents today - most care more about a "career" and making money than raising their children.
An E-7 once told me he felt sorry for the draft dodgers because they have nothing larger to believe in than themselves.
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#6344378 - 10/09/18 09:30 PM Re: High school kids saying the Pledge [Re: FlyinFinn]
waggler Offline
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When I was in grade one and two (public school) in British Columbia we said the Lords Prayer every morning and the teacher read a Psalm. Can you imagine that happening now.

I think things like the Pledge, the Lord's Prayer, etc., are good, if for nothing else it should teach kids that there is something bigger, greater, or more important than themselves. We have created a couple of generations of narcissistic, selfish wimps.
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#6344428 - 10/09/18 10:45 PM Re: High school kids saying the Pledge [Re: FlyinFinn]
pass-thru Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
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Loc: Va
Originally Posted By: FlyinFinn
Personally, I am ambivalent about the issue. I don't care too much if they do or don't.


...the word you're looking for is "apathetic." "ambivalent" means you have feelings in conflicting directions. carry on.

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#6344455 - 10/10/18 12:03 AM Re: High school kids saying the Pledge [Re: FlyinFinn]
FlyinFinn Offline
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Thanks pass-thru. I would have to say that I am not apathetic, or I wouldn't have bothered to make the post. I do not have strong feelings either way but I do have conflicted feelings. I feel it is a good thing to practice patriotism, but I do not feel it should be forced. Perhaps this is why the school does the pledge when kids are young and haven't developed cynicism to the degree that high school aged students have. I suppose I made the post to have a discussion and to help think things through.

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#6344500 - 10/10/18 05:12 AM Re: High school kids saying the Pledge [Re: marathonman]
west river rogue Offline
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Originally Posted By: marathonman
No respect in this country anymore starting in the school system!
x3
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#6344508 - 10/10/18 05:33 AM Re: High school kids saying the Pledge [Re: FlyinFinn]
insanelupus Offline
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Registered: 12/01/09
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Loc: mt
Donnersurvivor, perhaps children can become apathetic to the pledge, but we as adults should remind them of their error and influence correction. This should be required viewing for all Americans. https://youtu.be/TZBTyTWOZCM

A few years ago, I too was reminded of the value of our Pledge of Allegiance, as I watched a disabled veteran who can not walk without the assistance of two canes, and often uses a wheelchair, come to his feet to recite the pledge. An elderly man, seated in the disabled section of a school auditorium for an assembly, he struggled and fell back in his seat once, and then slowly gained his feet. I was too far away to help, but knowing him I doubt he would of accepted it.

But I watched that man come to his feet and finish strong on the pledge, worn and tired, he sat down again with a flop.

I had tears in my eyes, though truthfully, it is a rare occurrence when my emotions don't stir at reciting the Pledge of Allegiance or hear the National Anthem, or watch the presentation of Old Glory.

If children become apathetic and we as adults don't remind them of the honor it is to represent the finest nation on earth, the fault is ours.

Someday, when my children ask about the tears in my eyes, I will recount memories of many veterans I have known who pledged their lives on exchange for service to country, some made it home. Others did not. I'll remind them of the value of the lives of men and women, who served in many ways, that this country may exist. And I'll remind them of the blessings and provision God has poured out on our nation, that this grand experiment has lasted for over two centuries.

And then, I will remind them that this country may only represent the best humanity has to offer it's citizens, only if the citizens are willing to make the sacrifices to serve where and when needed, because we are the capital that backs the concepts this nation stands for and represents.

No entity on earth can have a goal or mission statement that is effective, real, or truthful, without a human to back it up and give it hands and feet.

That is the value of patriotism to our republic. The Pledge of Allegiance is merely one of several opportunities in which we are privileged to have the opportunity to exercise this patriotism.

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#6344509 - 10/10/18 05:36 AM Re: High school kids saying the Pledge [Re: ShawneeMan]
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Originally Posted By: ShawneeMan
. . . An E-7 once told me he felt sorry for the draft dodgers because they have nothing larger to believe in than themselves.


well stated
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#6344510 - 10/10/18 05:37 AM Re: High school kids saying the Pledge [Re: FlyinFinn]
west river rogue Offline
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ive lived and spent time overseas in many places...usa is still the best! We have our shortcomings but still the BEST....BAR None! Ask my 4 yr old why he doesnt want to go back to Asia
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#6344516 - 10/10/18 05:46 AM Re: High school kids saying the Pledge [Re: FlyinFinn]
gryhkl Offline
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They say the pledge every morning in the public school my sons attended. They also say it before each school board meeting.

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#6344560 - 10/10/18 07:04 AM Re: High school kids saying the Pledge [Re: marathonman]
fieldsy Offline
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Originally Posted By: marathonman
No respect in this country anymore starting in the school system!


How does the school system get blamed for this lack of respect??

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