Re: pros and cons of youth hunts
[Re: Andrew Eastwood]
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10/21/18 09:03 AM
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"Former Anchorage doctor sentenced to 51 years for child sex abuse, child pornography"
I remember when this guy used to bring children out here to mentor them. This is probably a con.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: pros and cons of youth hunts
[Re: Zim]
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If you have to have a "special" season, I'd rather see folks be able to take out an old hunter that would not be able to go on his own anymore or handle a deer if they got one. Same deal with a handicapped person. Sorry folks, I do not see a reason to entitle children.
Zim What he said !
"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
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Re: pros and cons of youth hunts
[Re: Andrew Eastwood]
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10/21/18 09:38 AM
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I have really enjoyed the youth seasons with my kids, and a few other peoples kids. The youngest is now 14 and only has a couple of years left to hunt the youth hunt, I guess I'll have to find somebody else's kids to hunt with. I have never put restrictions on any child as to what he can shoot, other than that it be a legal animal, and an ethical shot. I've never been much of a horn hunter myself, if big antlers had been my goal I would have quit deer hunting a long time ago. The people out hunting with there 4 and 5 year olds always frustrates me, but if they claim there kid can shoot well enough to hunt at five years old who am I to question them. Mine didn't participate in the youth hunt till they were at least nine, and the youngest had to wait an extra year. He couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, and I couldn't, with a good conscience take him knowing it would result in a long hard tracking job, or an unrecovered deer. That was a rough conversation to have with a nine year old with his hopes up but he has a better appreciation for the responsibility of pulling the trigger only when he can make a good shot. I am in complete support of the youth season even though it does have some drawbacks with unethical or unresponsable parents, but those people are going to do what they do anyway.
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Re: pros and cons of youth hunts
[Re: Andrew Eastwood]
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10/21/18 09:49 AM
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If you have the deer go for it here it's a way to reduce the population and give the kids a chance to go on a deer hunt just for them.
What I don't like about the early season is the deer are not bulked up for winter so the flanks are thin, but now they moved the archery season up to Sept 1st so no clue how that became a good idea~
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
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Re: pros and cons of youth hunts
[Re: Andrew Eastwood]
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10/21/18 09:54 AM
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I just read through and there seems to be 3 cons 1- Dads are shooting the deer 2- I may have to wear my orange a few more days 3- let the disabled hunt I am from KS so things may be different, but I shall reply to all 1- I didn't, and those that poach are already poachers. How many deer get shot from a vehicle with the wrong equipment during the other seasons? How many kids get to hunt this season that wouldn't because Dad isn't going to have a squirmy noisy kid in the stand to ruin his regular hunt? 2- I spend most of my time on private land and shouldn't have to worry about this anyway, but do as the above poachers are always around. Walmart and other places sell orange stocking caps and jackets fairly cheap at end of season every year, get one and put it on. 3- In KS our disabled persons are allowed to hunt at the same time as the youth. It seems to be a great time to get the folks like young kids that cant hunt by themselves and folks that cant get around as well as others, in the woods with less traffic. Is it unfair to those healthy folks or people old enough to hunt by themselves? Maybe, but a few of those people wouldn't ever hunt if they had to deal with the rat race that comes with the orange army. With the folks trying to get rid of hunting, trapping, and other out of doors activities, we should encourage folks to do these things all we can and build the numbers of outdoors men and women. Other than that I will have to agree to disagree as trappers are some of the most hard headed folks I know. 
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Re: pros and cons of youth hunts
[Re: Andrew Eastwood]
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10/21/18 10:37 AM
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Is it reaaaaaly about the kids?
Examples from here. Our winter subsistence moose hunt was pushed back to Dec 15 from Nov 1 because adults were trophy hunting big bulls when they were easy to find and kill.( most big bulls antlers drop by Dec 15) The youth hunt they set up; you guessed it; Nov 15 to Dec whatever. I guess it is ok to target big bulls during this time period as long as you bring a youth.
For years resident trophy sheep nuts have been trying to get a jump on non-resident hunters by having a resident only early season. They never could get it. Now they just created a youth hunt for sheep during the time slot that the residents were crying for over a decade. Grab a youth (17 year old) and now a resident gets what they been rejecting.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: pros and cons of youth hunts
[Re: Zim]
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10/21/18 10:40 AM
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If you have to have a "special" season, I'd rather see folks be able to take out an old hunter that would not be able to go on his own anymore or handle a deer if they got one. Same deal with a handicapped person. Sorry folks, I do not see a reason to entitle children.
Zim I agree with this ^. I know many youth hunter parents and the hunt is more for them then the child. I get a lot of pictures from the parents showing their child's kill. I am a strong believer in getting the young started but to have a special season I don't see it. The kids this year I have seen some of the trophy animals they got and this happens every year. I would dream of some of the once in a life time animals these kids are taking. I'm very happy for them but I can't see why one group has the advantage over the rest of the hunting population.
Give me a fish, I will eat for a day. Teach me to fish, I will eat for a lifetime
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Re: pros and cons of youth hunts
[Re: Andrew Eastwood]
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10/21/18 11:06 AM
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both my boys did it just like everyone else and i believe they are better hunters today cause they had to learn why,how and a bunch of stuff other than pulling the trigger.
only 2 deer from my property so far this year and both were by jr hunters that shoot bow better than me and their fathers.
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Re: pros and cons of youth hunts
[Re: Andrew Eastwood]
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10/21/18 11:17 AM
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There are enough deer in the world that I think its hilarious an adult worries about a kid killing one.
Antlers are good for flint knapping, make pretty knife handles, cool buttons, neat looking lamps for a fishing shack, can even be sold. Sometimes for a LOT of money to somebody not smart enough to know they are only good for stuff like: flint knapping, make pretty knife handles, cool buttons, neat looking lamps.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: pros and cons of youth hunts
[Re: kytrapper]
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10/21/18 11:35 AM
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I’ve asked several kids over the years that checked in deer about the hunt. What caliber they got it with or other little things about the hunt. Many of them look nervously at their dad and he starts answering for them. You can tell in about ten seconds if the youth took the deer or not. I have taken five different kids that got their first deer. Saw some misses too but they were proud of what they were able to do and don’t constantly have to go around fibbing for dad. One other thing, I think myself it’s far better to start them out squirrel hunting than to jump straight to deer or turkey. If you really want to get kids interested in hunting small game is where we used to start. Not looking for monster deer. Exactly! Some of my best memories are when I sat beside my dad hunting squirrel long before I could hunt myself. He taught me to sit still and be quite listening for rustling leaves and squirrels barking and cutting in the oaks and hickories. He'd shoot a couple and tell me to remember where the fell and let me go pick them up after he shot a couple. Dad also took us fishing, mushroom hunting and just out into the woods for long walks. I count myself and siblings very lucky to have had a dad like him and he was happy that I did the same things with my boys. I sure miss him and my mother.
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Re: pros and cons of youth hunts
[Re: Andrew Eastwood]
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I have a daughter that rarely kills an animal. She will help butcher, load one in a pickup, cook and eat them. She doesn't like being the one to do the killing though. She can out shoot probably 80% of the people reading this. Drove my grandsons to check traps. Just doesn't want to shoot animals.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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