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White guilt and the elephant in the room #6375597
11/17/18 01:21 AM
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Since the movie Wind River ( great movie in some respects ) came out , a lots been mentioned about the rate of Native women who have been murdered or disappeared .

In the movie , somewhat predictably, the villains were bored , horny oil field security personnel who were white.

The reality ?


In real life , the perpetrators are almost always fellow tribe members . No conspiracy behind it. Alcohol and drugs , things get out of hand , a girl ends up dead and no one talks.

Having lived in Indian country all my life , the narrative gets old . Wanna be a victim of Indian crime ? First step , be Indian.

But the reality also holds true in primarily Black areas.

Why does society ( You know , James' group ) continue to deny truth ? Boco , who seems to think Natives descended from Heaven , his Canadian Natives claim a murder rate similar .

Thoughts ?


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Re: White guilt and the elephant in the room [Re: Aaron Proffitt] #6375614
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They are angry and want someone to blame. It's a shame all around. A lot of what goes on on a lot of reserves in general is very sad, and not sure what is to be gained by pointing out the obvious other than to make ourselves feel better.

My theory is that all human beings at this point are on level ground, and far be it from me to decry the fact that white guys are portrayed as bad guys. I just don't care. And in the movie wind river, that is to be expected. It certainly adds to the end result of raising awareness, despite the fact that statistically things might be different. It is Hollywood, after all

Re: White guilt and the elephant in the room [Re: Aaron Proffitt] #6375633
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Feeling guilty is easier than solving problems. To solve the problem of criminal behavior in trailer parks full of white people in rural America, Indians on reservations, or black people in ghettos, there are some facts that need looked at, starting with welfare destroys 100 times more people than it helps. Need to end with the war on drugs makes things worse.

p.s. lots of stuff inbetween those two as well. number one being low iq

Last edited by danny clifton; 11/17/18 07:00 AM.

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Re: White guilt and the elephant in the room [Re: Aaron Proffitt] #6375636
11/17/18 06:54 AM
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Because it is almost illegal to be a straight white male these days thanks to snowflakes and their supporters.


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Re: White guilt and the elephant in the room [Re: danny clifton] #6375643
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
welfare destroys 100 times more people than it helps.


I agree with this.


Eh...wot?

Re: White guilt and the elephant in the room [Re: Aaron Proffitt] #6375651
11/17/18 07:18 AM
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It is a tragedy how indians seem to have been Hoodwinked into believing that voting a certain way will better their existence. I wish they'd accept freedom and responsibility to get the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) off the reservation. I also do believe in generational trauma, and things may not get better in our lifetime. It's not been that many generations since they were herded onto reservations like cattle. Perhaps some empathy is in order.

Re: White guilt and the elephant in the room [Re: Aaron Proffitt] #6375652
11/17/18 07:20 AM
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Good movie and a very good gunfight scene.....very realistic.


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Re: White guilt and the elephant in the room [Re: Aaron Proffitt] #6375764
11/17/18 10:45 AM
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Violence to indigenous women by indigenous men is recognized here.Like in the US interracial violence on both sides gets more publicity.
Although a persons lifestyle doesn't justify violence against people it sadly goes with the territory.
And To you Profitt,I call out bigotry against Indigenous people because my wife and Kids are Cree.

Last edited by Boco; 11/17/18 10:49 AM.

Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: White guilt and the elephant in the room [Re: Boco] #6375807
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Originally Posted by Boco
Violence to indigenous women by indigenous men is recognized here.Like in the US interracial violence on both sides gets more publicity.
Although a persons lifestyle doesn't justify violence against people it sadly goes with the territory.
And To you Profitt,I call out bigotry against Indigenous people because my wife and Kids are Cree.

What did she do to get punished that severely?

Re: White guilt and the elephant in the room [Re: Aaron Proffitt] #6375810
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Just lucky I guess.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: White guilt and the elephant in the room [Re: Aaron Proffitt] #6375829
11/17/18 12:22 PM
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I didnt realize how bad it really was until I started on ambulance about 6 years ago. Its really sad, and my opinion is that drugs and alcohol are the biggest problem in First Nation communities. That has led to an incredibly high rate of FAS syndrome that creates another set of problems. The Liberals just throw money at it knowing it will get them re-elected. The problems don't get solved. The problems just grow and I can tell you the high FAS rates will cause huge problems down the road. We are already seeing it actually.

I do believe to a large extent they have been taken advantage of by the leftists in our country. Liberal policies are killing them literally in some cases. My youngest daughter did her paramedic practicum in a small northern Alberta community. They have a list of 400 conditions they have to deal with under supervision before they are licensed. Gunshot wounds and stabbings are on that list. Her friend was sent to Vancouver, and it took her almost 4-months to finish. In the small Alberta town of High Level my daughter was done in 17-days. She said it was like the wild west. Stabbings and beatings every single night on the reserve. The communities near me are not much better. I work with the community nurses all the time and very very few girls reach puberty without being raped and beaten. Some might not like it, but those are the facts.


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Re: White guilt and the elephant in the room [Re: Aaron Proffitt] #6375836
11/17/18 12:39 PM
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Take it for what it's worth FAS rates Nation wide is around .03 the last Native American training I was at said they have over 20% so that is a huge difference by any standards. Just looked up one study that claimed 30%.

Last edited by Law Dog; 11/17/18 12:41 PM. Reason: Added new info.

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Re: White guilt and the elephant in the room [Re: Aaron Proffitt] #6375844
11/17/18 12:55 PM
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Maybe if we had a national "work or starve program" it would help?


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Re: White guilt and the elephant in the room [Re: Aaron Proffitt] #6375854
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Re: White guilt and the elephant in the room [Re: Aaron Proffitt] #6375856
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Uh...it will work but...crime will got thru the roof up into space before it gets sorted.

Re: White guilt and the elephant in the room [Re: Dirt] #6375866
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Maybe if we had a national "work or starve program" it would help?



My son is married to a First Nation girl, she is first class people. Her mother is an accountant for the band.....she agrees with you. The Liberals create these problems with free handouts, but they know it will get them back into office so they dont care...


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Re: White guilt and the elephant in the room [Re: yukon254] #6375872
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Originally Posted by yukon254
Originally Posted by Dirt
Maybe if we had a national "work or starve program" it would help?



My son is married to a First Nation girl, she is first class people. Her mother is an accountant for the band.....she agrees with you. The Liberals create these problems with free handouts, but they know it will get them back into office so they dont care...


Wasn't that the traditional way of life before white people improved their lives?


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Re: White guilt and the elephant in the room [Re: Aaron Proffitt] #6375876
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I don't have white guilt. That's for the weak.

Re: White guilt and the elephant in the room [Re: hippie] #6375879
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Originally Posted by hippie
I don't have white guilt. That's for the weak.

Unless you have had a DNA test it doesn't pay to be guilty about being white. Your ancestors might have been hatched on a fence post in Africa.

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That's true Finn. i agree

Minorities in this country are born with a head start, offered by our gov't. If they don't make something of themselves, that's their problem.

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