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Re: Stock Market : what does this mean ? [Re: Canvasback2] #6409225
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No Hal Live cattle are near their recent highs with lean hogs close to $10 off their recent highs.

Re: Stock Market : what does this mean ? [Re: gryhkl] #6409256
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Originally Posted by gryhkl
Just this morning I have heard a couple of the market "experts" refer to what going on a s the "trump slump". I don't think that is going to sit well with the pres.
Will he tweet something that makes things worse, or can he allow himself to ignore them and let things find a place to settle?

I like to make some more buys at this level, but I'm going to try to wait a while.


^ source matters! The media in any event they report, want the worst news possible to report on because that draws viewers, Right! I just read, that retail sales have been the highest in 10 years and all the positive things happening with our economy is very healthy data. Many media finical reports spread the news of panic and people sell and that is what they want you to do. Then they come in and buy low and they win in a sense and the circus starts over. LOL


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Re: Stock Market : what does this mean ? [Re: Hal] #6409257
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Originally Posted by Hal
Is there something wrong with the stock market?
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Appears the market does not like the Fed raising interest rates to 2.5%. That is awful high. crazy


"The Fed kept the rate at zero between 2008 and 2015. Recession ended in June 2009."

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Re: Stock Market : what does this mean ? [Re: Dirt] #6409269
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When we get used to using money when it is cheap we get sloppy in our money management and that is not just individuals either.
As to CBOT the lean hog near high is 6 months out so the next litters benefit nothing from higher values out that far and those come during the major grilling and brat season which was up for weeks already.

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Re: Stock Market : what does this mean ? [Re: Canvasback2] #6409272
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I know guys that are pulling their money out and putting in something safe. Even though I've lost 150k last month I'm sticking even more into it while it's down and hope it recovers well enough for me to retire in 5 or 6 yrs. And pray my plan works.


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Re: Stock Market : what does this mean ? [Re: Canvasback2] #6409282
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Ok lets says Mr. Public likes to be a bull (well did upto awhile back, his accounts are on a diet right now) So is all this money being lost down a hole some place or is it just changing hands to Mrs. Bear and if its just just changing hands then where will those people be keeping it. I can't beleive those 2.95% cd's( hoopee aren't you excited Dirt) are going to attract much. So where will it go. Please dont say the Feds have shorted the market to build the wall, lol.

Re: Stock Market : what does this mean ? [Re: Canvasback2] #6409284
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Source matters. The media is reporting on what they do best. They want to report the worst and bad things soo they get viewers. The worst thing you can do is panic and sell right now. That is what finical world wants people to do, so they can buy low and you loose, they win.

Remember! You haven't lost or gain anything in times of high or low, UNLESS YOU SELL! Nothing has changed so hunker down and forget about all the noise the media is feeding you. I just read where retail sales have been the best in 10 years and all the healthy economy news is great a positive but you never hear media talk on it. Not much any way.

Hunker down weather the storm and life goes on, no harm done, when markets go up and down. IMO only.


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Re: Stock Market : what does this mean ? [Re: Foxpaw] #6409290
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Originally Posted by Foxpaw
Ok lets says Mr. Public likes to be a bull (well did upto awhile back, his accounts are on a diet right now) So is all this money being lost down a hole some place or is it just changing hands to Mrs. Bear and if its just just changing hands then where will those people be keeping it. I can't beleive those 2.95% cd's( hoopee aren't you excited Dirt) are going to attract much. So where will it go. Please dont say the Feds have shorted the market to build the wall, lol.



Remember......you can make money in a down market too.

And as Snowy says, unless you sell you haven't lost anything.


Actually the rate of return now on cash is in fact adding to the volatility. Some folks will get out of the bond market as well as stocks, and into a money market or a CD, Still earn a barely positive real rate of return, with much less risk.................and of course, much less potential for return.


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Re: Stock Market : what does this mean ? [Re: Canvasback2] #6409295
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Why would they leave the bond market?
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Re: Stock Market : what does this mean ? [Re: Canvasback2] #6409300
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Because as interest rates go up, bond prices go down. Rates and prices move inversely.


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Re: Stock Market : what does this mean ? [Re: Canvasback2] #6409303
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^exactly, to add to that White is >>>

The higher their expectations of inflation, the less they will pay for bonds. The lower they expect inflation to be, the more they will pay.

In bonds, lower prices correspond to higher yields, and higher prices correspond to lower yields. When prices fall, yields rise, and vice versa.

The one thing right now is where is inflation going?? Some uncertainty, for sure, so people are doing the sure bet in MM, CD's and savings accounts etc.. they know what they are getting. I also beleive some just sell not knowing what they are selling.



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Re: Stock Market : what does this mean ? [Re: Canvasback2] #6409309
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2% gain is better than -10% gain. I believe it is 12% better. smile


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Re: Stock Market : what does this mean ? [Re: white17] #6409312
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Originally Posted by white17
Because as interest rates go up, bond prices go down. Rates and prices move inversely.


So you're valuing bonds on share price and not dividends?
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Re: Stock Market : what does this mean ? [Re: snowy] #6409314
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Originally Posted by gryhkl
Just this morning I have heard a couple of the market "experts" refer to what going on a s the "trump slump". I don't think that is going to sit well with the pres.
Will he tweet something that makes things worse, or can he allow himself to ignore them and let things find a place to settle?

I like to make some more buys at this level, but I'm going to try to wait a while.


^ source matters! The media in any event they report, want the worst news possible to report on because that draws viewers, Right! I just read, that retail sales have been the highest in 10 years and all the positive things happening with our economy is very healthy data. Many media finical reports spread the news of panic and people sell and that is what they want you to do. Then they come in and buy low and they win in a sense and the circus starts over. LOL




The experts who used the "trump slump" label were a couple guests on one of the financial morning shows on CNBC or foxBusiness. The strong signs of consumer activity is being mentioned a lot today too.

The market been has bouncing along in a positive direction so far today. Maybe the good signs are calming things down a bit?

Things have been going so well in the market for the past several years that I think many investores are worried that they may have waited too long to ring the register and preserve their gains. The big question is; What does one do with all his money if he cashes in his investments that are in stocks right now? The thought of a safe 3% isn't very appealing.

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Re: Stock Market : what does this mean ? [Re: Canvasback2] #6409318
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Don't be a bit uneasy. It'll go back up. The only folks that might be injured are the ones who have to retire tomorrow afternoon, and have to rely on the market for their retirement. (And don't have much invested in the first place.)
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Re: Stock Market : what does this mean ? [Re: Canvasback2] #6409319
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I liked the Seinfeld show (don't you know the markets flucuates; yes I just got fluctuated out of $$$)

Re: Stock Market : what does this mean ? [Re: Canvasback2] #6409321
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The price of a bond is based on prevailing interest rates on a risk free investment ( US treasuries ), the term of the bond, and the rating of the company or government issuing the bond.


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Re: Stock Market : what does this mean ? [Re: Canvasback2] #6409327
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Sounds like time to stock up on bonds. (Pun intended)
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Re: Stock Market : what does this mean ? [Re: Canvasback2] #6409331
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Not if you believe that interest rates will continue to rise


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Re: Stock Market : what does this mean ? [Re: Canvasback2] #6409334
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I believe it will go back down. So, you're looking for it to rise continuously? I don't see that.
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