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Re: When the USA falls will we loose our guns? [Re: loosegoose] #6431275
01/17/19 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Again, Nancy Pelosi is not next in line in the presidential order of succession. Vice President Mike Pence will be president if something were to happen to Donald Trump. Nancy Pelosi would be president if something happened to both Donald trump and mike pence.


That's what Marty was saying.

Re: When the USA falls will we loose our guns? [Re: Marty] #6431300
01/17/19 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Marty
Ol Nancy is second in line for potus if something happens to Mr. Trump.


Maybe I misunderstood. In any case, the succession goes:
Order of Presidential Succession

1. Vice President
2. Speaker of the House of Representatives
3. President pro tempore of the Senate
4. Secretary of State
5. Secretary of the Treasury
6. Secretary of Defense
7. Attorney General
8. Secretary of the Interior
9. Secretary of Agriculture
10. Secretary of Commerce
11. Secretary of Labor
12. Secretary of Health and Human Services
13. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
14. Secretary of Transportation
15. Secretary of Energy
16. Secretary of Education
17. Secretary of Veterans Affairs
18. Secretary of Homeland Security


NOTE: An official cannot succeed to the Presidency unless that person meets the Constitutional requirements.

Re: When the USA falls will we loose our guns? [Re: Marty] #6431303
01/17/19 10:27 AM
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With the vast difference in views I believe a separation of States will save us from a civil war but a lot of details will need to be worked out.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

Jerry Herbst
Re: When the USA falls will we loose our guns? [Re: Marty] #6431310
01/17/19 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Marty
When will we be overcome by liberalism/progressivism and loose our gun rights?

If you say never let me remind you that it is very close to happening in some states.

Happening here now. The round house in NM (congressman and senators) banned all guns (except NMSP) from entering on certain days. This week numerous NM Sheriff's weren't allowed to enter the chamber because they had guns. They could go into other parts but not where the governor was giving her address even though they are Sheriff's.
https://www.krqe.com/news/politics-...tCzfqzy2jkayIljfR03ExCfQI-3RZjtvUK2nyW_M

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Re: When the USA falls will we loose our guns? [Re: Law Dog] #6431313
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
With the vast difference in views I believe a separation of States will save us from a civil war but a lot of details will need to be worked out.

It's not a terrible idea, but would be very complicated. Back during civil war I, the dividing lines were pretty simple, north vs south. Now, it's much more broken up and complicated, the dividing lines are city vs city, neighbor vs neighbor, county vs county, etc. And it's not as simple as conservative vs liberal, either. It could be done, but likely it'd be something that happens as a civil war comes to a head, and would be presented as a way to prevent war. A large chunk would have to be given, the current US would likely be the "conservative" side (even though it's really not that simple, but lets just play along here), and the new country would be the "liberal side". It would likely be not quite a 50/50 split, but more like 60/40 with the current US getting the bigger part. While the "liberal" side currently lives in cities and is geographically small, they still constitute about half of the countries population.

Re: When the USA falls will we loose our guns? [Re: Marty] #6431321
01/17/19 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Marty
Why do you have to turn a $800 gun in if the stock is removable?


You haven been reading his posts, he's not smart enough to figure that out. lol


-Goofy-
Re: When the USA falls will we loose our guns? [Re: loosegoose] #6431327
01/17/19 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Originally Posted by Law Dog
With the vast difference in views I believe a separation of States will save us from a civil war but a lot of details will need to be worked out.

It's not a terrible idea, but would be very complicated. Back during civil war I, the dividing lines were pretty simple, north vs south. Now, it's much more broken up and complicated, the dividing lines are city vs city, neighbor vs neighbor, county vs county, etc. And it's not as simple as conservative vs liberal, either. It could be done, but likely it'd be something that happens as a civil war comes to a head, and would be presented as a way to prevent war. A large chunk would have to be given, the current US would likely be the "conservative" side (even though it's really not that simple, but lets just play along here), and the new country would be the "liberal side". It would likely be not quite a 50/50 split, but more like 60/40 with the current US getting the bigger part. While the "liberal" side currently lives in cities and is geographically small, they still constitute about half of the countries population.


Electoral collage map might be a starting point!


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

Jerry Herbst
Re: When the USA falls will we loose our guns? [Re: Marty] #6431332
01/17/19 10:49 AM
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Electoral collage map might be a starting point!

[Linked Image]

This is the 2016 map by county. It shows well how concentrated the liberal population is. It's obvious they aren't concentrated in any one area, so both sides would have to agree to move to their respective new countries.

Re: When the USA falls will we loose our guns? [Re: Pete in Frbks] #6431337
01/17/19 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete in Frbks
Originally Posted by Sshaffer
I have heard many fellow gun owners say “oh come on, they’re not gonna take our guns”.

I firmly believe that if anti-gun politicians gain control of all 3 branches of government, including a large majority in the Senate and House that severe restrictions will happen very, very fast. I do not see a total ban in my lifetime (I’m in my 60’s), because even in liberal countries some ownership continues.

One thing that may, and I say MAY, save our handguns is the huge and growing amount of Concealed Carry Permit holders. There are about 14,000,000 permit holders in the US. Every person who owns guns should get their permit. I realize in some states that is nearly impossible. In Florida there are over 1,500,000 permit holders.

Here is an interesting chart

https://www.gunstocarry.com/concealed-carry-statistics/#numbers


14 million handgun owners notwithstanding, ironically, those of us with CCW permits are the data base that they likely would START with when coming after the arms of private citizens!

Pete
............BINGO!

Re: When the USA falls will we loose our guns? [Re: Marty] #6431346
01/17/19 10:58 AM
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This aint the old days. Anybody that thinks they can fight the cops or government when they want your guns, and thinks they will just go away is wrong. They will just kill us

Re: When the USA falls will we loose our guns? [Re: cci] #6431350
01/17/19 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by cci
This aint the old days. Anybody that thinks they can fight the cops or government when they want your guns, and thinks they will just go away is wrong. They will just kill us



We are sworn to uphold the Constitution many of us would not follow that kind of request we are gun owners also!


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: When the USA falls will we loose our guns? [Re: Law Dog] #6431361
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I bet 9 out of 10 will. Hurricaine katrina. The went around and took gun. I never heard about any law enforcement refusing

Re: When the USA falls will we loose our guns? [Re: Marty] #6431363
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Bill of rights says will not be infringed. Its way past that

Re: When the USA falls will we loose our guns? [Re: Marty] #6431367
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Lawdog, with all due respect to you, it wouldnt be a request. It would be an order

Re: When the USA falls will we loose our guns? [Re: loosegoose] #6431370
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Electoral collage map might be a starting point!

[Linked Image]

This is the 2016 map by county. It shows well how concentrated the liberal population is. It's obvious they aren't concentrated in any one area, so both sides would have to agree to move to their respective new countries.

Maybe Canada will make a deal with us. They send all there conservative citizens down here in a trade for all our libs, and they can all live in progressive paradise up there.
On a serious note, someday SCOTUS is going to have to take up some of these 2nd cases, that may buy us some time.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: When the USA falls will we loose our guns? [Re: Marty] #6431371
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I Sam 13:19 would be a confirmation that weapon control( aleast tried) has been around a while. It was a political thing then too.

As stated above the 22 shortage just shows how fast the ammo could be displaced.

The Jews did have resistance in their ghettos but were out numbered.

The book "The Hiding Place" tells the story of Corrie ten Boom and her sister. Always be thankful for all things(including small) even fleas. The fleas was why the guards didnt molest the girls in that one barricks.

I think gun control will be a generation thing, moving slowly like 40 yrs. The frog in warm water doesnt recognize the danger, and when its boiling is too late.

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Re: When the USA falls will we loose our guns? [Re: cci] #6431380
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Originally Posted by cci
Lawdog, with all due respect to you, it wouldnt be a request. It would be an order




Sworn to support the Constitution! I cannot follow a illegal order period! On the way over to get sworn in I told my boss I would never be part of such a thing he just smiled and said, "We are sworn to follow the Constitution! You may not realize the power a Sheriff has in his elected County maybe look it up it's more then you think.


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Re: When the USA falls will we loose our guns? [Re: cci] #6431382
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Originally Posted by cci
This aint the old days. Anybody that thinks they can fight the cops or government when they want your guns, and thinks they will just go away is wrong. They will just kill us


Illiterate goons with AKs and RPGs have been holding off the worlds most powerful military for going on 17 years now in Afghanistan. What makes you think we can't do it here? I'm not saying the gun grabbers will go away or that nobody will be killed, but we can certainly win the battle eventually.

Re: When the USA falls will we loose our guns? [Re: Marty] #6431400
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How hard of a time did Australia have?


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Re: When the USA falls will we loose our guns? [Re: Marty] #6431406
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Sheriffs Dept. won't go door to door for guns, national guard maybe.

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