I know exactly what the issue here is with the Liberals, RACISM! They will bring that issue up everytime when their argument is squashed.
They really don't have any other grounds to defend.

I'm sorry to say, you're confused seniortrap. I'm not a liberal. The only thing worse than the typical conservative is the typical liberal My argument has not been squashed; it's quite the opposite in fact. I'm the only one so far in this thread to provide any shred of evidence to support my position.

Just yesterday I'm having lunch with some friends that are older/wiser for the time.
We're discussing health care and the border issue. Its well know as the table of Knowledge locally. We discuss plenty of things.

All of a sudden a young lady of maybe 20 comes up and starts yelling at us.

"You guys shouldn't be talking about politics. You only be talking about health care, not the wall"!

Apparently she was an uninvited person in the discussion. I even mentioned to her, "I'm sorry I didn't know we invited you to join in"!

She stormed back to her table and boyfriend. Which I never noticed any specifics.

As she is heading to the door, she yells "what's it matter what color his skin is"?

This comment got one of our ladies sitting to say, "Your the one who brought up race, we didn't"!

As she leaves, the boyfriend leaves also, and I looked and I believe he may have been Mexican!
A quick observation as per the attention that was brought to mind. No one else noticed. I guess because we are all RACISTS!

Then as the young man passed the window outside, We signed off with we were number one! Nice.

In fact, maybe(not knowing) he may have been here on an expired visa. But I won't assume.

Touché!

I'm sure the starving women and children in the caravans coming towards the border have their visas in hand....

Hollering RACIST is the best argument they got. You racist!

Loosegoose: Your opinions are not facts. Proof is material presented to back your argument.

And the reason Detroit went down the crapper IS because it's 9.9% white. If there were NO whites, I'm sure it would be thriving.

That's not evidence. Those caravans don't account for the majority of illegal immigrants. Further, most of those people aren't getting in. Further, asylum cases are not counted as illegally crossing the border. Further, only approximately 10% of asylum cases are approved currently; the rest are sent home. Gotta try harder than that Gary News story? Blog post? Statistics? something? Anything?

What opinion did I present? I presented a news article that referenced a study. Nobody else has referenced anything but "anecdotes and personal experience".

Is loosegoose another word for goosewiththesquirts?

Skin color has nothing to do with Detroit being a disgusting ghetto that I wouldn't visit if my children were there in the hospital:) Detroit is a dump because of massive corruption and a legacy of democrat control, along with a decline in American automotive power.

Maybe:) My last name is loos, pronounced los (long O sound). It's commonly mispronounced loose, and when I was in tech school the nickname was given to me.

.......Deep breath , not going to try arguing with this crowd

but....

NPR ...is Not balanced any more than the rest.

Personal experience for me has been 40 years in the auto industry with 2 years in the Army.

At which time it was/is my experience that a lot of Liberal crap is being shoved down peoples throat.

Opening your eyes and being blind is easy to do when watching NPR. Same with PBS.

My observation in 71 years of life.

I don't disagree with that. They're a liberal news source, but they referenced a study, so they're not just making it up off the tops of their heads. And, like I already said, nobody else has presented a shred of evidence to show that the majority of illegals come here another way besides visa overstays.

To be honest, I'm not sure why this is so controversial. I stated in the very first post that this wasn't to say that I'm opposed to a wall.

There is a lot of liberal crap being shoved down our throats, I don't disagree. But your experience in the army and the automotive industry does not equal evidence to show that the majority of illegals don't get here through visa overstays.

Lets just put up the wall and get back to the business of controlling the border!

And for those who OVERSTAY their Visas, round them up(if you can find them) and ship them back.

A study promoted by the Center for Migration Studies (CMS) is frankly, not too valid. Any and all "studies" are able to be set in the way the organization conducting the study wants them to go simply by how the asked questions are framed and/or where the questions are asked.
If you look at New York, where CMS is from, you will have a disproportionate amount of visa overstays because of the 3 major airports there. Go outside the city even 60 miles where I am and it is primarily from south of the border.
But lets use their figures and say 38% are from illegal border crossing. If a wall cuts down 1/3 of that amount it would be 13% of the illegals coming in. The wall would still be a huge savings considering the amount we pay for educating, policing and healthcare for those 13%.

NPR present news that allows one to think and form his own opinions. That's probably be too foreign an idea for those who listen to foxnews or msnbc to be able to see it. Of course many see nothing wrong when a person says things like-"alternate facts", "The truth isn't the truth!", "They didn't build that."

Too many care more about who gives them information than where or not the info is true or that they are shown all sides of the news....too much work for most.

What evidence do you have to show the study isn't valid? Perhaps you have a different study showing that most illegals get here by coming over the border illegally, and not by overstaying their visa? I'd love to see it if you can show it to me. What evidence do you have to support your position that the majority of illegals 60 miles outside of new York are from south of the border? Did you ask them? Just because they're Mexican doesn't mean they crossed the border illegally, they may be here on expired visas.

I agree completely.