Re: Wolverine populations up
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Population always goes up here after a busy forest fire season to the south.
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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I disagree with the premis of this thread. This is the worst wolverine season I have had in a decade. I think they moved just south of the border muskrat, trappers on the very north end of the province are having a Wolverine year like never before. Can’t keep em out of the traps.
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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Yukon it was the field observations of Alberta trappers that wolverines were on the upswing a few years ago that spurred the ATA / ACA research project. It has led to the Alberta Trappers Association teaming up with the government and the ACA on other collaborations. We just got the results on some marten research, one female marten was 12 years old!
By the way, the picture of that mother wolverine and kit in the CBC story is from my company Compass Media. It reminds me that my CBC licensing agreement is over, they shouldn't be running that pic. I would love to look at that marten research. I wouldnt have guessed a marten could live that long, pretty incredible. Myyoungest daughter and her husband are just finishing up their first winter on their new trapline, and they found some preliminary papers written by a biologist that was doing some marten research here back in the early 90s. He never did finish the study, but one thing he found that I thought was interesting is that elevation has a lot to do with marten habitat. He found elevations between 3000 and 4000 feet to have the densest populations. Im not sure if that would hold true in other areas, but it sure does in our neck of the woods. Funny but I thought about you when I saw that picture. Hopefully they make it right with you, I've had a belly full of organizations / publications not paying for articles / photos this winter. All my trouble has been with Canadian publications too. After talking with a few writers / photographers about it I found out that it seems to be happening a lot here in Canada as of late.
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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Mad Mike I’m having a tough day today I messed up that Lewis and Clark thing on the buffalo thread. Now I confused wolverine research with wolverine research programs. But Bushman will tell you that Alberta trapper research has found that wolverine and lynx bot eat a lot of rabbit. So they probably have similar travel habits. But don’t go by me I’m having a tough day. No worries!
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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A finders fee absolutely. I think Brian should give you 2 of those mesh produce bags he uses for Marten.
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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Numbers up where I work. All caught between February 1 and March 1. Hard to tell but middle one is missing about 4” of his tail. Healed over. Amazing the variety in colours wolverine have , like marten. I see Stubby , too bad ! Really like the tones of the second one from left. Good copper darker halo.
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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3Fingers how many traps/snares were you running to get those 5 in only 4weeks? Had 5 330 sets and 2 snare sets out for them. All were in 330’s. Mostly use double end boxes. Hang half a beaver up out of reach and half in the cubby box and a few small choice pieces buried in the snow to give em a taste. Last run had one that wouldn’t commit so he tore out the side of a spruce pole box. Get him next year hopefully.
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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Sideways dang it. Not sure why so many around. Usually get 1 or 2 a year. My theory is unusually deep snow just to the south where there is large untrapped good habitat. (inaccessible)
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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What's that white rope to the right of the tree for?
Ha. That’s left over from when I tied the whole thing off so it wouldn’t get carried away by spring floods. That set has been there for years and have even caught 2 lynx in it.
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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Same set, different angle. Sideways again - grr..
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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Nice, 3 Fingers. They are also starting the mating season in Feb, it's always the best month for trapping them here. I,m thinking wolverine are like marten. Breed in fall, delayed implantation, birth in April/may. MT
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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Nice, 3 Fingers. They are also starting the mating season in Feb, it's always the best month for trapping them here. I,m thinking wolverine are like marten. Breed in fall, delayed implantation, birth in April/may. MT Partially correct Mike. MOST breeding takes place late spring early summer., Delayed implantation until late December through January. Most litters are born February through April. I also suspect that latitude and population density are responsible for the large variation in reproductive schedules
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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In a search I found several studies that state "it is believed" that breeding can occur anywhere from May through August, with most occurring in June/July, and birthing occurring from January through April with most occurring from February to mid-March. So there is nothing in that cycle of reproduction, that I can see, would account for the very noticeable up-tick in activity during Feb-March that Yukon, 3 Fingers and I mentioned above. Wonder if it has something to do with the dispersing of the yearlings, (and maybe even the older males?) when the older females start denning in late winter?Or is it something else that triggers that increase in movement? Whatever the cause, February is my favorite month for wolverine trapping.
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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I suppose it could be our old friend Photoperiod that triggers the movement. The questions is why . What purpose does it serve? I think a lot of it is caused by females looking for den sites and nearby carrion piles or areas with a good supply of squirrels, porkies, pikas etc.
If the females are moving, it sort of makes sense that the males will also be moving just to locate or keep in touch with the girls. I think when you have a species that uses huge territories as a home range, is generally solitary as well as occurring in very low densities..............it makes sense that there will need to be a good deal of searching to find mates. Also, there maybe some machismo going on.
If one or several females are located just prior to denning, it might make sense that a male will patrol the edges of that territory or territories more than he would normally. But let's remember that we same this same type of thing with marten movement in February.
I have seen pairs traveling together in March (twice).....from the air. I have seen them rolling and 'wrestling' with each other. It was clear from the size that it was a male and female.
BUT, when I think of the times that I have scored a multiple catch...........2 doubles and 2 triples...............all four times the animals in each group were same sex. 2 or 3 males or females traveling together. They were all adults too except for a group of 3 females caught in December. Two of those were clearly juveniles. I feel pretty safe in assuming that was a mom and 2 YOY females.
That makes me think again about Dave's biologist claiming December litters. Has anyone ever caught a wolverine that small or even seen a track that could be from an individual that young ??? I know I haven't.
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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I have seen pairs traveling together in March (twice).....from the air. I have seen them rolling and 'wrestling' with each other. It was clear from the size that it was a male and female.
BUT, when I think of the times that I have scored a multiple catch...........2 doubles and 2 triples...............all four times the animals in each group were same sex. 2 or 3 males or females traveling together. They were all adults too except for a group of 3 females caught in December. Two of those were clearly juveniles. I feel pretty safe in assuming that was a mom and 2 YOY females.
That makes me think again about Dave's biologist claiming December litters. Has anyone ever caught a wolverine that small or even seen a track that could be from an individual that young ??? I know I haven't.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ A good part of the sign I see in Feb is wolverine running in pairs. And I have never caught a wolverine that was lactating, even when our season ran through March. One of the studies I ran across made the claim that wolverine always den in holes dug in the snow at high elevations. Contrary to this, the dens I have found over the years have ranged in location from holes dug into the ground just below timberline, to holes in the snow up near the peaks. One was a natural hole in a jumble of big rocks just above timberline. One of these dens I found in late January, and showed recent use, but not what I would call heavy use. Another, found in June was in heavy use. The rest were found in May during spring brown bear hunting and all were in heavy use.
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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Ken, no one has chimed in that they have caught a lactating female at any time of the trapping season. So far, I'm the only one who has said they caught a female with developed fetuses. Can't protect something that doesn't exist (cubs) during the normal season. I know this is a small sample of trappers but there are other trappers here who trap northern wolverine populations. Each trapper should be able to decide for himself how late he wants to catch the species on his line. I would not support any effort to reduce season lengths based on any supposed reason of protecting litters. Anyone trapping members of the weasel family is setting for animals in which the female has already conceived, or will not conceive, during the trapping season. Any female wolverine, marten, mink, we catch during a Nov. to Feb. or March season is likely already pregnant. mt
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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I can see a real reason to manage harvest with season length where people are too dense in both definitions of dense.
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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Mike. Just to be clear......I am not advocating for a shorter season either. But there may be some other means of reducing the threat to those kits by reducing the likelihood that mom is harvested. I was just agreeing with Dave that those females are pregnant the entire season ..........depending on how we use the term "pregnant" Good point Dirt
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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Seriously, March is flying weather. No refuge safe from the airplane trappers (gunners?),
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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That's true ! So are you saying we could reduce that potential illegal harvest by eliminating March as part of the season ? Only the legal harvest. There is no March season here. Probably for a reason. The wolverine density here is nothing like it was before the oil thing according to the old timers. It never will improve, it is the new norm. Of course, if they are not flying to trap wolves and wolverine in March, they probably won't fly just to specifically gun one. Target of opportunity. The bigger problem is planes can access the high ground in March and set anywhere. Not a problem if their wasn't 400,000 people 1 hr or less away by plane.
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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so if I understand what you are saying you think maybe a restriction on airplane trapping in March would be helpful ? If you want to provide some refuge and you have airplane trappers and you want to try an increase your wolverine population it should help. Sealing data tells you who trapped wolverine and got there using an airplane and when they harvested those wolverine and if they are females or males. This should tell you if you have a significant March airplane harvest.
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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My problem with them shortening the season is that it takes wolverine off the table for some trappers. As an example, a few years ago I traded my old trapline up in the Logans for a trapline with easier access. My old line was excellent wolverine country but marginal for marten. The fellow that I traded with had had that line for many many years. His average over the years was about one wolverine every other year or so. Then he started doing wolf hunts in late Feb. early March and his wolverine catch skyrocketed.
When I got the line I was doing the guided trapping thing so I was out there all season. I wouldnt see a wolverine track until mid Feb. or so, then I would see sign everywhere. I would routinely take 3-4 every season there, all of them late in the season, and most of them males. My son has that line now and it hasn't changed. For whatever reason wolverines dont frequent that area until later on in the winter. There are a lot of trappers in the same situation, so next year when our season is shortened there will be some trappers that wont have an opportunity to catch them, even though the population is in great shape by all accounts.
Luckily for me, the trapline I have now has an excellent wolverine population and they are there all year so it wont effect me. Does anyone else notice that they seem to favour lower elevations later in the season??
Interestingly northern California has a decent wolverine population, or so I have heard...not sure that fits with the dense human population theory.?
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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I think you are right about moose kills Jarl.
When you think about it, the river systems are easier travel by that time of year and moose...at least in my area....are congregated on the willow bars. Good point Ken. Maybe they move into these areas BECAUSE they can travel much easier/ further at that time of year? I've always assumed that they moved more late in the season because of mating season. The fact that my catch ratio is heavy on the male side at that time of year would seem to indicate that is true, at least to some degree, but it certainly could be a combination of both.
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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I think you are right about moose kills Jarl.
When you think about it, the river systems are easier travel by that time of year and moose...at least in my area....are congregated on the willow bars. And there we get into the wolverine/wolf relationship. Don’t know if my increased numbers are just animals pushed down due to higher than normal snow depths from areas they would have stayed at .
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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Not sure what it is but we are seeing more the last few yrs especially late season males when the females are denning not just overall numbers but seeing them coming in closer to town. Our conditions have been less than stellar to trap them the last few yrs and am thinking that may have something to do with it
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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Dirt, have you looked at sealing data for wolverine in your area? Is there really a significant airplane trapper take? Or did there used to be? Otterman, when access conditions were better, were there that many more trappers out? Did they get farther away than now? If so, does sealing data show anything? I'm thinking that even when conditions were better and us Alaskans could be out on our snogos in to April, how many trappers were out? Were they spread out or concentrated in to areas with in economical reach of town? How many of the trappers out were significantly targeting wolverine? When marten/lynx paid your bills how much time did a guy put in to wolverine? When the marten/lynx season ended, how many trappers stayed out and concentrated on wolverine? Maybe some years when beaver were paying some of the bill a guy would still be out and could up his wolverine take. I'm just really skeptical that over most of Alaska and in to Canada, trappers have any significant effect on a wolverine population! mt
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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No. I doubt you can look it up on the ADF&G website. Have to get it from the area biologist or get it from ARLIS. ADF&G may not have even collated the data?
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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Wow, this is fascinating stuff, and great observations from guys in different areas. No wolverine here (anymore), but I joke with my youngest son (age 3) that he should be a wolverine researcher when he grows up. There's so much to learn. I can't help but wonder though.....what's up with added harvest restrictions on a population with no evidence of decline??? I thought that only happened with fish.
To be blunt, whats up is that a lot of those doing the research and making the rules are anti trapping to a certain degree. Some are outright against hunting and trapping and make no bones about it.
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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Wow, this is fascinating stuff, and great observations from guys in different areas. No wolverine here (anymore), but I joke with my youngest son (age 3) that he should be a wolverine researcher when he grows up. There's so much to learn. I can't help but wonder though.....what's up with added harvest restrictions on a population with no evidence of decline??? I thought that only happened with fish.
I suspect that "climate change" alarmism is behind a lot of it. There are those who are pushing the notion that warming will reduce snow pack ( they should come here this winter or in the California Sierras) and thus denning areas for wolverine litters. Of course the assumption is that they can't den without snow. I don't believe there is evidence on that one way or another. Shortening the season won't influence snow depth and it sure won't affect parturition dates !
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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I know that top three targeted species in South central are Marten, wolf, and wolverine.
Source: Trapper Questionnaire.
Statewide Wolverine is 4th behind Lynx.
Remember wolves and wolverines are trophies. It ain't commonly about money.
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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Wow, this is fascinating stuff, and great observations from guys in different areas. No wolverine here (anymore), but I joke with my youngest son (age 3) that he should be a wolverine researcher when he grows up. There's so much to learn. I can't help but wonder though.....what's up with added harvest restrictions on a population with no evidence of decline??? I thought that only happened with fish.
To be blunt, whats up is that a lot of those doing the research and making the rules are anti trapping to a certain degree. Some are outright against hunting and trapping and make no bones about it. We see that same thing at the federal level here
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Re: Wolverine populations up
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Ken, no one has chimed in that they have caught a lactating female at any time of the trapping season. mt I have. At least twice that I can remember, I caught a female wolverine in March that had already given birth. Both times were back in the '70's when the season was open until the end of March. So far, I'm the only one who has said they caught a female with developed fetuses. mt I catch pregnant females all the time. I have no idea how many,... but enough to know approximately when they implant, and when they would typically give birth. I don't know how much this varies around the state, but around here, they typically would implant from late Nov to mid December. Around Christmas time (last half of December) is about the earliest that I have ever seen a wolverine fetus that is big enough to able to be removed from the tubes and to see it forming into it's proper shape. Even at this stage it's very fragile and difficult to extract,... and I don't remember ever seeing even a round bump in the tubes before about mid-December. (But it happens, as you shall see). Typically in January, they are formed well enough to be able to handle them without difficulty, and towards the end of the month, determine the sex, etc. And by February, they are no longer transparent,... most of the time towards the end of the month they are looking like they are getting close to being viable,... if I catch a female with pups that look like this at the 3rd week of February, I think it is a safe bet to assume that these guys would have been born sometime in March,... And then once in a while, I'll catch a female wolverine at the end of February that has pups that look like this,... just a day or two away from being born. They're about 6" long, fully furred, fully formed, nose-mouth open, claws harden,... fully ready to start life. I got these two guys last winter (male & female) on February 27 (according to my trail camera),.. and from the dozens of pregnant wolverines I have examined, I am convinced that pups this far developed, this early in the winter, is from a November implant. I have only seen this a couple times in my life,.. and wolverine pups like this can be worth half or so of what the adult was,... so at least at this stage, they are not wasted. In 1983 (the date on the slide), I caught a pregnant female wolverine that had 5 pups, at this same fully-developed stage, in late February. I took them to the ADF&G office in Glennallen, and the area biologist told me at that time that this was the first documented case of a wolverine having 5 pups that the department had records of, at least in this area. I donated them to them, and as far as I know, they are still on display there.
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Re: Wolverine populations up
[Re: yukon254]
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04/02/19 01:13 AM
04/02/19 01:13 AM
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MT to answer a few of the questions you asked in order yes, Yes and I bet it would but can’t say for certain I do know this 35 yrs ago there were maybe 4 or 5 taken in the village I lived in. Back then all the men trapped mostly for beaver but many had a few sets on the side and 4 or 5 of us went all out. Now days the amount taken that I know of is closer to 8-10 and only 3 or 4 guys trapping at all and primarily they are trapping marten wolves and wolverine. I know on my lines I have seen an increase in recent years where I seldom saw a track often times for several yrs in a row I now am regularly seeing tracks and catching them more often than ever before and in places I have never seen sign of them. To me that says there is an increase at least on my two lines that lay in completly different directions and cover 75 and 140 miles respectively. I know of two wolverines possibly three that were taken this year within 3 miles of town something really unheard of in the past Can trappers make a significant dent in the populations probably not but I firmly belive their numbers are on the rise around here
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Re: Wolverine populations up
[Re: yukon254]
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04/02/19 09:44 AM
04/02/19 09:44 AM
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Dirt
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Wow, this is fascinating stuff, and great observations from guys in different areas. No wolverine here (anymore), but I joke with my youngest son (age 3) that he should be a wolverine researcher when he grows up. There's so much to learn. I can't help but wonder though.....what's up with added harvest restrictions on a population with no evidence of decline??? I thought that only happened with fish.
To be blunt, whats up is that a lot of those doing the research and making the rules are anti trapping to a certain degree. Some are outright against hunting and trapping and make no bones about it. If reducing the season to end of Feb. makes you an anti, I guess ADF&G must be real bad since most of the seasons in South Central end in Jan. and some even have llllllllllllimits.
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Re: Wolverine populations up
[Re: yukon254]
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04/02/19 01:03 PM
04/02/19 01:03 PM
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Those are some great pix !! The one above is really interesting because of the color of those kits. Were they really that dark or is it the photo ?? Kits are usually white when they are born It's the picture. That was taken with an Olympus OM-1 back in the 35mmSLR days. They're more of a grey-ish-silver color in real life. The 2 pups from last year have some rust-colored stains on them from the fluids in the sacks, which would have come off with a little rubbing (or "licking"), but I didn't want to risk damaging anything,... and didn't really want to lick them clean either,... Very interesting pictures Wolverinebait. If the female you caught last year had implanted in Nov. wouldnt the kits have been born in mid to late December? Im assuming a 30-40 gestation period.
No, I don't think so,... I think the gestation period has to be longer than that. I think virtually every pregnant female is going to have developing kits that are obvious to see by late December,.. I have seen this myself many times, it's common. If the gestation period is only 30-40 days, then all those pregnant wolverines that are already underway with pup development in December would surely be giving birth by late January/early February,... and then catching females that are post-birth would happen with equal frequency by late Jan/early Feb and later. I've never had that happen even once! Like I mentioned, I've only had that happen twice that I can remember, both times in March. I don't know all the scientific details of how this all happens,... it's just that I've kept personal records of things like this that I have personally seen myself, for almost 50 years now,... and these are just conclusions I have come to, based only on what I have seen, which very well may not be the full picture. I would think tho too,... that these sort of things should be pretty much nailed down by now, because altho difficult, there have been enough successful wolverine breedings in captivity to eliminate a lot of the speculation of how/when/where this all happens. And I , like you, find this all to be quite interesting!
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Re: Wolverine populations up
[Re: nooksack]
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04/03/19 09:54 PM
04/03/19 09:54 PM
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martentrapper, I cant confirm, but have heard from several friends there is a trapper, let’s just say on the slope and not where who has harvested around a dozen and a half wolverine. What effect does that have on the population?
3 fingers, does the second wolverine from the right have a tail rub? I am only curious because one of my wolverine this year that was caught toward the end of February had a rub at the base of the tail and I was told by friends with much more experience than I that that is a common rub come springs warmer temps. Nice catch and great thread. I seen the rub too. I figured that one was caught last. I’ve always heard that they rub that area in the spring. People that sew just use the tail to fill in that gap.
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Re: Wolverine populations up
[Re: nooksack]
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04/04/19 12:29 AM
04/04/19 12:29 AM
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martentrapper, I cant confirm, but have heard from several friends there is a trapper, let’s just say on the slope and not where who has harvested around a dozen and a half wolverine. What effect does that have on the population? Sorry to be slow to respond there Nook. To answer your question, truthfully, I don't know what effect that would have on the population. I do know that a trapper can't catch lots of critters unless there are LOTS of critters to trap. If your info is correct, the guy is trapping a very healthy pop. of wolverine. I also know from years trapping around Nome in a similar environment that the guy likely covered a large area in his trapping. So the 18 wolverine would likely have come from a large area. If you google "wolverine studies" you might come up with a study or 2 by Audrey Magoun. She lives here in Fairbanks I think. Her and I believe, Bob Stevenson, did a couple studies on wolverine in the Brooks Range. Check that out. Wolverinebait: Cool stuff. Nice to have good data like pictures and written records. I think we can all get a better idea of wolverine breeding, pregnancy, and birthing times thanks to you.
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