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Re: Scent Killer spray [Re: Bayou Trapper] #6453584
02/07/19 11:02 AM
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I can see It know a big run on haze mat suits and respirators and disposable booties . LOL

I know coyotes are wary and super suspicious but to actually know who you are?


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Re: Scent Killer spray [Re: Bayou Trapper] #6453587
02/07/19 11:05 AM
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Think about it Beav !

Still waiting tbn !

Re: Scent Killer spray [Re: Bayou Trapper] #6453610
02/07/19 11:18 AM
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Golf Ball i'm not going to give an explanation. Guys that idolize and look up to others and their catches simply aren't doing it themselves. Always looking for that magic item.

Re: Scent Killer spray [Re: Bayou Trapper] #6453618
02/07/19 11:26 AM
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My point is they ( coyotes ) not only know you are there , they know if it’s YOU if you get my meaning!

The only way in creation that any wild animal could recognize any trapper as an individual is if the trapper has missed it and messed with it enough times for the association to form. You can't recognize any other human until you have been introduced and I may not recall some one I have worked with five years later.
So, I'll say the animals know "something different was there" and in an area where interaction is common the animal may know that the "something different is a" human, or a danger, but, it is not going to distinguish you from tbh until one of you has up-close personal confrontation with it, and let it live.

I've had deer, fox, coyotes and probably others cut my trail and track me to within yards while I was still there; and I will bet you have too. I've also had them wind scent me and clear out. The thing is these animals are animals and do not reason in the same manner that we do. They simply react to what ever they encounter.

Diesel makes a pretty good cover scent and I've never had wild creatures shy from it. either when still hunting or trapping. A tractor parked out in the woods or fields never keeps wildlife from being there.
There used to be a trapper near me that washed his hands in fox urine before making any set, and he wiped it on his boots too, but he caught just about as many animals as the other guys that were super clean.

Re: Scent Killer spray [Re: Bayou Trapper] #6453620
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Nevermind,I went back and read your post,I was talking trapping,you are talking bowhunting.

Re: Scent Killer spray [Re: Bayou Trapper] #6453621
02/07/19 11:27 AM
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Always looking for that magic item.

the national economy depends on this

Re: Scent Killer spray [Re: Bayou Trapper] #6453637
02/07/19 11:37 AM
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Wonder how many bottles get used during the summer months when a guy is dripping sweat right over the trap pattern? lol

Re: Scent Killer spray [Re: Bayou Trapper] #6453642
02/07/19 11:41 AM
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Your right tjm they can’t reason and they do react ! When you take out several members of a pack or family group the survivor or survivors of that group will react to an individual, I don’t doubt what either of them said !

Re: Scent Killer spray [Re: Bayou Trapper] #6453739
02/07/19 01:21 PM
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Tbn I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt that perhaps you misunderstood what I was saying ! If you think I’m looking for a magic anything you are wrong , there isn’t one ! What I know and do I’ve done on my own , do I look up to guys like Derrick, Payne, Wieser, Waddel and others ? Yes ! They are doing what I can’t , they put out more traps every year than I own and they do it year round. I’ve never had the time to put out more than a dozen or so traps each season ! When I retire I will have the time and not the coyotes, may have to move to Kansas !

Re: Scent Killer spray [Re: Bayou Trapper] #6453849
02/07/19 02:56 PM
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Pretty soon coyotes will be able read and cipher.


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Re: Scent Killer spray [Re: The Beav] #6453925
02/07/19 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by The Beav
Pretty soon coyotes will be able read and cipher.


I thinks them Kansas coyotes is pretty dumb though, a few guys seem to catch a lot of canines there, and I know a couple of them that don't use deodorant.

Re: Scent Killer spray [Re: Bayou Trapper] #6454637
02/08/19 09:26 AM
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I have had many raccoons, skunks and squirrels in my jobs over the past 40 years of doing wildlife control where I have goofed up and educated them and they know me by my scent. Some of them I get the customer to bait the trap and wipe their hands with a napkin and throw it in the trap because the customer was a positive, (they put the food in the dog bowl ever day for example) I have in times brought my tech to the job to bait the traps. Many times with raccoons to prove the raccoons know who I am when I would finally get them Unless they just leave, I would place the coon in the trap and have 4 or 5 folks stand around the cage. I would go 10 or so feet up wind and stand, it is amazing how fast the coon would get my scent and turn and stare at me 10 feet away while folk are 2 feet away from the cage. Last summer I had a coon that had me in her sights. I couldn't catch her so I forced the hole she broke another hole out and went into the chimney. I got the to job and shook the damper to get her going up open the damper and yelled at her to get LOL she went to the top and out. the customers and neighbor was out side and yelled in to me it is sitting on the top. took me a couple of mins to get out there I looked at her and she saw me and shot right back into the chimney. the neighbor looked at me and said it is afraid of you, it didn't care about us until it saw you. These same actions will happen in fur trapping if we put to much negative on a certain animal. We as fur trappers will never be able to see the pattern on that one animal like I can see in my Jobs.


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Re: Scent Killer spray [Re: tjm] #6454656
02/08/19 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by tjm
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My point is they ( coyotes ) not only know you are there , they know if it’s YOU if you get my meaning!

The only way in creation that any wild animal could recognize any trapper as an individual is if the trapper has missed it and messed with it enough times for the association to form. You can't recognize any other human until you have been introduced and I may not recall some one I have worked with five years later.
So, I'll say the animals know "something different was there" and in an area where interaction is common the animal may know that the "something different is a" human, or a danger, but, it is not going to distinguish you from tbh until one of you has up-close personal confrontation with it, and let it live.

I've had deer, fox, coyotes and probably others cut my trail and track me to within yards while I was still there; and I will bet you have too. I've also had them wind scent me and clear out. The thing is these animals are animals and do not reason in the same manner that we do. They simply react to what ever they encounter.

Diesel makes a pretty good cover scent and I've never had wild creatures shy from it. either when still hunting or trapping. A tractor parked out in the woods or fields never keeps wildlife from being there.
There used to be a trapper near me that washed his hands in fox urine before making any set, and he wiped it on his boots too, but he caught just about as many animals as the other guys that were super clean.


It doesn’t always take an “up close confrontation”.

Simply being there, repeatedly, can be enough for them to familiarize with your smell.

And for some coyotes, simply being there, is all takes to booger em up.

Re: Scent Killer spray [Re: Bayou Trapper] #6454661
02/08/19 09:51 AM
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Every animal out there has a threshold of human scent and intrusion it’s willing to accept as safe.

For some it’s very high, some very low. Every animal is an individual with different experiences. Many many factors involved here.

An urban coyote used to eating out of trash cans and fidos food dish probably has a very high threshold of human intrusion he will accept as still being safe.

A coyote in an area that only sees a human but once a month, gets shot at chased and harassed every time he encounters humans, probably has a very low thresh hold.

Being fast, clean, and efficient will NEVER hurt you. Being sloppy slow and dirty might.

Re: Scent Killer spray [Re: Boone Liane] #6454678
02/08/19 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Boone Liane


An urban coyote used to eating out of trash cans and fidos food dish probably has a very high threshold of human intrusion he will accept as still being safe.

A coyote in an area that only sees a human but once a month, gets shot at chased and harassed every time he encounters humans, probably has a very low thresh hold.
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Good way to explain it. And those two examples could be the same coyote but the difference being location. They understand where it's normal to smell humans, and where it's not. Just like deer.

Re: Scent Killer spray [Re: Bayou Trapper] #6454700
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At what age do they learn this?

Re: Scent Killer spray [Re: tbn] #6454701
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What sort of question is that? Seriously, it's just normal animal behavior.

Re: Scent Killer spray [Re: Bayou Trapper] #6454784
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A good read for sure.


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Re: Scent Killer spray [Re: Bayou Trapper] #6454896
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if we put to much negative on a certain animal.
Kinda my point.
They certainly can distinguish each of us, but not the first time around. The ADC trapper is more likely to encounter this behavior, I think, the animal the ADC trapper is after is already accustomed to human interaction and reaction.

At some point the super shy coyote should leave the sheep pasture when he hears the trappers truck and never come back. Just drive through the pasture once a week.

Re: Scent Killer spray [Re: Bayou Trapper] #6455020
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I dont think your average fur trapper realizes how many coyotes they leave behind, and how some of those coyotes behave, even for some time after their trapping activities cease in an area.

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