Logging 60/40 split or $700 a truck load???
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02/11/19 05:29 PM
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After having a forestry guy come out and go over my property that I recently purchased, which is 77 acres against the national forest it was decided that several trees needed to be harvested. There is no sign that any logging has ever occurred on this property at all. It is so full of trees so much that nothing grows on the forest floor there is no undergrowth or browse at all.
So I had a guy come out who is a "professional logger". He has good equipment, several references, his sister works with my wife and several employees. They will be harvesting most red and black oaks and some hickory trees. They will only be harvesting a few white oak trees. He is on the USDA approved loggers list, and the State Conservation area logging list. He is a clean cut guy and requires drug test for his employees he told me. He said he has a million dollars in equipment running every day. He said it would take him less than 60 days to get on site and start then 4 to 5 weeks max and be done and gone.
He wants to do a 60/40 split or $700.00 a semi truck load. He said the loads will average between $675 to $735 a load at the mill. He usually just averages them to make things go faster if people want to do it that way. He says is works faster and is less accounting for him and less of a paper trail.
The last property I sold logs on 5 years ago had really good walnut and a lot of white oaks were harvested. This was a 50/50 split deal. I had to wait until the got the receipt from the mill and cashed the check to get my share once a week. These guys also were the Meth using type and we hard to keep on task once they had some money in their pocket. The job was 80 acres and it took them 7 months.
So 60/40 split or the easy route of $700 a truck load??? There will be reportedly 20 to 24 truck loads harvested. All this money will go back into the property to put in two new ponds and 4 food plot areas as well as some equipment upgrades.
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Re: Logging 60/40 split or $700 a truck load???
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02/11/19 05:39 PM
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Are you trying to justify wiping out all your trees?
I wouldn't cut them down just to give some logger with a sales pitch, a temporary job, after all, it takes a while to reproduce those trees.
It's your land.
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Re: Logging 60/40 split or $700 a truck load???
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02/11/19 05:44 PM
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I personally would check with a forester. In VT the county forester will make you a forestry plan and mark trees to cut. Also hickory trees have a mast crop every year and are a good food source for deer and other wildlife. Never hurts to get a second opinion especially if it's free. VT also has a current use program that defers your taxes as much as 80-90% except the years you log then you pay the full tax for that year.
The bitterness of poor quality last a lot longer than the sweetness of low price
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Re: Logging 60/40 split or $700 a truck load???
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I had a forestry guy come out and survey the whole place and write up a wild life habitat paln. He was the one who said it needed logging bad as there is no cover for wildlife and the trees are choking each others full growth. The logger is a diff guy who wants the 60% cut because its less desirable wood. in the last few years around here 60 /40 their favor is what most people charge
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Re: Logging 60/40 split or $700 a truck load???
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02/11/19 05:56 PM
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There are so many ways for a land owner to get ripped off on these logging deals I don't know where to start. I can think of more land owners who have been taken than otherwise.
You or your representative MUST be on site as any loads are leaving the property, and it's best to take a picture of each load from the back so you can get a log count. This must be agreed to in a logging contract, you must have everything in writing.
All funds should go straight from the mill into an escrow account to be dispersed as agreed to after the logging is completed. A local attorney can do this for you.
Make sure you also have an agreement as to the condition the property is to be left in, such as logging slash stacked, scattered, or chipped, etc..
I would also hide a trail camera where the trucks will be leaving the property just in case they decide to "work after hours".
Get at least one more bid, if not two.
Good luck.
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Re: Logging 60/40 split or $700 a truck load???
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02/11/19 06:05 PM
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I would do a percentage rather than a flat rate. At $700 per load he may be more inclined to just pull the good "pickles" and leave the lesser quality stuff. At a percentage there is more incentive for him to take some of the garbage too. Make sure you agree on what the logging site should look like prior to him leaving. And being it is against the National Forest GET IT SURVEYED prior to cutting anything! Even the US Forest Service surveyor may work and it should be free of charge.
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Re: Logging 60/40 split or $700 a truck load???
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02/11/19 06:19 PM
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My friend just sold 500 trees and was paid up front before a saw was started.
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Re: Logging 60/40 split or $700 a truck load???
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02/11/19 06:26 PM
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A forest has to be taken care of which means thinning out some mature trees read the fine print and make sure your both on the same page as far as what gets cut I've seen blocks of timber leveled because it stated all salable timber on the contract
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Re: Logging 60/40 split or $700 a truck load???
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02/11/19 06:35 PM
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I’d hire a forester, they charge around 10-15 percent,
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