Monday, a family lost their home. Not a fire or tornado or hurricane. The local hospital. They couldn't pay their medical bills so the hospital seized their home and sold it to cover the bills.
Meanwhile, just north of here in South Dakota, everyone gets free housing, free medical, free food, free spending money. Illegals coming in get free everything.
We're not losing our country. We've lost it.
Rant over.

I agree!

Sad thing is all this is being done just to be Anti-Trump. A lot of the Dems during the Obama era wanted and would've funded a border wall and better immigration. Now that the socialists have infiltrated the Dems and the millennials we're pretty much screwed!

There is a saying: "If you don`t own anything it can`t be taken away"

A friend of mine went to the clinic quite a few years back when he wasn't feeling well. They required him to pay for an office visit up front, which he didn't have, so they turned him away. He went home and died. That'd never happen to an Indian or illegal. Just plain wrong.

BUILD THAT WALL! MAGA!! TRUMP 2020!!!

health care would cost about 10% of what it does if there were no subsidies. pretty hard to stay in business if nobody can pay your price.

socialism just aint working in our country either. I think Bernie ate too many mushrooms. had a love child with whoopi goldburg. named her Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

When others money runs out it's a tough road to hoe.

Where do I need to go to get this free housing, medical, food and spending money in South Dakota? Man I feel like an idiot paying for that stuff my entire life when everyone else in my state was getting it free. If everyone is getting it they must have decided to keep it a secret from me, jerks. It is a weird policy to have in a deep red state...unless you don't know what you are talking about...

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There's obviously more to the story than is being relayed here. It takes a long history of flat out refusing to pay anything before it can escalate to a home being seized. And even then it's very unusual.

You need to live on the Rosebud or Pine Ridge Reservation.

This all began about the time lawyers started winning malpractice lawsuits.

With that being said, do Indians and illegals get their houses seized for not paying medical bills?

I am amazed at what people put up with. Throughout history, the level of abuse by their overlords that the common folk will put up with is just astounding. Looking at China, Cuba, Venezuela, etc these days shows it will be a long time, and a lot worse, before anything significant is done here in America.

Ah, well. At least #MyPresident #Trump is #MAGA and #DrainTheSwamp as much as he can. Hoo-Rah!

We have the same issues up here in Canada but long term apartment dwellers are being removed in order to fill blocks with the trojan horse folk who the Canadian government brings in illegally or not. Some could be returning ISIS combatants & we all know how much they value the life of female equality.

The unfairness in this is if you work and own a house you must pay.

But yet the free loaders get it for free.

Which makes the worker not only be responsible for their costs but also pay for the free loaders.

In some cases, the social safety net doesn't catch the right people while the wrong people live four generations of social entitlement. Oversight should over rule,
over entitlements.

I have no idea. Do illegals own homes?

Here if you are Indian you have to go to a indian hospital. If you just go to any hospital or doctor you have to pay. Or at least that how it is for creek Indians guess I am not sure about the others

1st I am sorry anybody loses their house, but I have to ask why didn't they pay their bill? Didn't they have insurance? At the very least a high deductible major medical policy. Couldn't they have filed for bankruptcy? Or did they just not want to pay their bill. If they didn't want to pay their bill then the burden of not paying falls on everyone else that does pay their bill. If they didn't have any money was the family on Medicaid?
Lots of unanswered questions here.

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Why should they???

Illegals come here to mow grass at the ritzy golf course out by the lake. The golf course provides housing for them!

and I don't even have a problem with them if they are here to actually work a job.

I agree, but someone should have spoken up and told them to file bankruptcy. Not a thing that one wants to do but better than being homeless.

Sorry beeman didn't read your post

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I think his biggest mistake was being white.

Sounds like his biggest mistake was not even attempting to pay his bills. There are dozens of avenues that can be take to get out of medical debt, all of which don't involve losing your home. You have to purposely decide that's the way you want to go for it to go that far.

Yes, apparently so.

And to clarify, I'm not disagree that there are major problems. I just think this is a poor example.

They had to have disregarded their bill for a while to have their house taken.

If you are at least making an attempt to pay ($20-50 a month) they don't take them.

you are truly pathetic.

You are so right about if you give $20 -$50 a month they can not say you are not paying for your bill. It might not be the way they want it.I know The hospital try to get my mom to pay all the bill on my dad when he was in the hospital and all she did was pay $20 a month and they could not do a thing about it. They try but it show that the bill was being paid on.I do not remember what happened in the end on it all.Too far long go. Back in 1990 I think it was, or before .

He has a point.....they wouldn't have taken his house if he had been a minority. That could have been a lawsuit. Still for them to take the house the guy had to have made no effort to try

Pine Ridge is sovereign nation not really "South Dakota" that is set by a treaty not any State law. I don't know of a hospital that could turn a person away also. I know of a few guys that owe thousands in medical bill here that won't pay the hospital bills. They do business as usual they just deal in cash a lot more then others do.

A lot more to that story, except that it is just that - a story. I have never heard a hospital taking anything, they can send you to collections but that's about all.

And you'd hunk it would be a poster child story plastered over every dems website pushing for single payer system.
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If Pine Ridge is a sovereign nation, what products do they sell to support themselves?

Among whites, blacks, illegals, Indians........some are held to a standard and some are not. Which ones are? Of course the guy should pay his medical bills, but so should everybody else. Only some are held to a standard, others given a pass. Al Sharpton owed millions in taxes. Why was he allowed to get away with it? What if that were Sarah Palin?

I'd put a match to the house before I walked away from it..

It's out of hand. I'd be very bitter.

This is a $90k house...not a dump either.

Gary, Was it a hospital or a nursing/extended stay facility?

Nursing homes are very good at taking property to pay for medical bills. And that's usually done after the patient/resident dies.

About the only thing I've heard of hospitals doing is sending it to collections and collections taking them "nonpayer" to court and the court making them sell the house for payment.

Something just doesn't sit right with the story. I'm not saying it's fake. I'm saying there's some vital info missing.

Yup!

Very possible....just heard it was medical bills.

I don't know about taking your house but Hospitals are garnishing wages and charging interest, up to 9%. People should get ahead of this and start paying right away, if you don't make enough, get another job.

I watched a guy do just that once. then he stood in drive way with shot gun when fire dept showed up. Told them they would not trespass. Been years ago though!

Burnt it because he caught his wife cheating on him. Left her here with a pile of ashes and disappeared back to Tennessee or Kentucky? Can't remember which.

Right, especially if you're dying from cancer. Brilliant!

When the decision makers of a household get sick and down and out they dont always make the best decisions.

Another thought is how could being in ER for 3hrs., take chest x ray, blood work,ekg, and pee in cup cost almost $6,000 No medicine of any kind given. Just all test by machines that may or may be paid for? How about a helicopter ride for 30 miles, $25,000
Where have you ever done buisness with out some idea of knowing what the cost was before going in. Take your car in to get oil change and the guy decides to do a complete overhaul for $5000, you get the bill, now pay it. Sounds high but just think if you had trouble in the slums some night you could get robbed and you might die.
Its just the nature of the beast a DR has to run evey kind of test in case he ends up in court, so he can prove he is in the right. Their liability insurance is enormus, afraid even to guess. By the way, did you know if you spill a hot cup of coffee in your lap , it might burn and somebody has to pay.

Yes they must make profits but why drag the taxpayer in it with property taxes on buildings that never seem to get paid for?

This is just a thought but just wonder if any of those private patents on expensive meds was ever financed in any way with tax dollars in the way of subsidizing research? I know of no proof but I suspect the worst!

No answers here but I know we as a country are in a lot of trouble.

now theres something i agree with.

Agreeing isn't a solution PCR. What is your serious opinion?

i think this country is in serious trouble and honestly believe its too late to turn back.as much as we try to find some one else to blame,we all have a hand in it.wish i had a easy way to fix it but in my opinion it will take bloodshed to fix.that is if a higher power doesn't get fed up and do it for us.

Yup, the majority already has us beat, if it weren't for the electoral college it'd be over.......and now they're trying to out that.
A friend of mine here said "I don't care what they do as long as they just leave me alone and let me do my thing."
Yep, that's exactly what they want you to do. Don't pay no attention to what they're doing in D.C. and just do your thing. But, when he wakes up, he's not gonna be able to just Do His Thing anymore.
Too many exceptions for too many groups, while just one group is required to toe the line and be responsible.
There. Problem solved.

a person with 2 good incomes that owns 3 houses with zero debt should not be nervous,i'm scared.
its like the fur market for me,trapped and learned my lessons for 40 years,and worked for furbuyers to learn the trade for 30 of that and when i finally get to where i wanna be,look at the market.and no good yotes or cats here.

This would be really good advise if you want to get free food, free roof over your head, free tv, a couple hours exercise every day, only see your wife on visitors day.

Shoot, Nebraska's prisons are at 160% capacity. They're not prisons, they're country clubs. For a piece of **** that only wants to do nothing it's a perfect life!
PCR, I'm about to sell my properties and run, as the taxes keep going up and up. Doubled this last go-round. At some point, it's going to become unaffordable to own property.
I have a family member who bought a section of land in '05 for 450k, now it's assessed at 1.5 mil. At this rate how long can a person afford to own land?

Go west young man, go west! Can't imagine how many trappers are out in the 4-states corner chasing those $1000 cats. I'm betting they're running into one another.

It seems we all pretty much agree on the problems and the issues. Yet we're all to blame.

If you think about it, this has been going on for a very long time. The Socialists have been priming this country for 60 years or better. Little by little they pumped their propaganda into our schools, our media, etc., and they steadily increased their welfare programs at the cost of the working man/woman. Slowly over time they have created a very significant population that has grown dependent upon them and their "programs". While all this has been slowing and steadily progressing, no one, not even the Republicans, have stopped them. In the last several years it's accelerated to the fervor that we see today. A fervor that has caused anyone that opposes their agenda to cower in fear thus they be yelled and screamed at and called a derogatory name of some kind or another.

Sorry to say folks, there's no going back. It's over, we just haven't figured it out yet or perhaps we're too scared to admit it...

Wise up Beeman.Put a big pot of oil on the stove cut up some potatoes for French fries,turn on the stove top and go outside and mow the lawn.

i'm gonna sell out and go live with Boco.a quarter of my family is from up there so they might even let me stay.

And don't forget post and boast about it on a public forum.

If I have to explain it then you have not been paying attention I think it has something to do with a land deal at the barrel of a gun! If it's so great/easy would you move there then?

Come on up PCR,I know this country real good,theres places to go camp out where you'll never see another person unless you want to.

That explains it. Funded by the U.S. Govt. Sovereign nation alright!

The only Democratic spots that show up on the maps during the election no surprise if that's where your living comes from. Agree we are in a bad way that's why I could not understand how many guys just don't get the direction we are heading and how much we have lost and much more we have to lose.

Just heard Jessie Smollett is still working a perfect example of the double standard we have today. Rosanne was gone in days and this guy hangs on like new Velcro weeks later with no real outrage like it never happened!

We can will loose the rest in a blink of an eye.

until free men are willing to join one another in a unified effort to rid ourselves of these self serving, entitled officials and to take back the power we have over them instead of them having power over us. Until then, this will continue. I think we are far closer to the tipping point that will lead to another civil war, No war is without tremendous loss, yet, in this instance as in all of the previous ones, it is something that will need to happen for us to seize control over those elected for the people by the people.

Congress just voted in favor of illegal aliens over US citizens security, if that's not a wake up call what is? I think we are past the tipping point.

Sadly, I agree.

Never would pass judgement on anyone, situation or agency be it hospital business or government until I sat in a court and or had all the information. As far as the Indians well, we put them there I can offer some sympathy for what they ended up with. Yeah they have had a opportunities, but in a lot of ways we keep them there through enabling. Me, Im glad I was born in America, better off just being born here than 80% of the world and glad I was born white there is a difference sad to say and I doubt it will ever change. There is a reason people want to be here legal or illegal and a lot of folk that live here born and raised never seem to take hold of the opportunities and there abilities.

Yes, agreed.

You must have some really incompetent law enforcement there that allowed someone to get away with arson and threatening with bodily harm EMS people and be able to get away back to wherever. He would have gotten SWATed here. Not much tolerance for threatening firefighters with a gun.....

Yup

There was a quarter section of farmland between "big city" here and one of the suburbs 5 miles away. Must have had some sloughs on it because only about 120 acres were tillable. I looked at the auction flyer. The owner paid a grand less than I did in property taxes a year on my 5 bedroom house I built in bedroom town in 2008. I contacted the auction company afterwards to see how much that quarter went for, $1.2 million. Sure, the previous owner had to pay a commission % for selling it and probably had to pay capital gains on the difference between what it was bought for in the past (although there's some ways around lessening that bite) and the amount it was sold for. But, still, I imagine a much nicer return on investment than I'll get paying my residential property tax every year. But, I'll still make coin on this house when I move from here. I don't shed tears for farm and ranch land owners paying their property taxes at agricultural rates versus what the assets are worth, at least on paper.

if you own a house, no liens against it yet but one is inevitable, so you burn it down, tell the fireman they cant trespass, what law have you broken? county burn ban maybe? Is that even a misdemeanor?

Didn't use to be. Guy here hot off scot free I'm pretty sure? But I was only a kid when it happened. But I do know the cops did not take him that night nor the next day.

People destroy homes all the time when they go bankrupt.

wonder why immigration laws like the one says hiring illegals is a crime are not enforced? why cant public schools only enroll kids that are here legally? why do illegals get welfare? none of that stuff would cost much. we ought to be doing that first.

btw a wall isn't going to even slow drug smuggling.

You wait!

These Democrats regain power and we all will be burning our homes! If for nothing else but for fuel to stay warm.

How many of us already work pay check to pay check? To build a life and to acquire stuff! Most of here would loose everything on the 1st serious tax hike they put forward!

speaking from experience......

The local work force sucks. The grass on a golf course needs to be mowed consistantly. Most of the local men / women that applied weren't worth hiring. They wan't top pay for being an uneducated person who is extreamly unrealiable. Most were drunk or high and useless. High end Golfers don't want to pay $120 plus a round for a course that looks terrible.

Your outlook will be different on the thought of burning it all to the ground when you realize some communist Democrat raised income tax to 70%, passed a regulation that put you out of work, etc...

The globalist/communist model behind this "new green deal" etc... Only allows for about 1/3 of the current global population to exist. And that 1/3 is to live in major cities.

Pay attention! Everything they are accomplishing does not work for the masses! It only works for the elites and a few select cities.

Do away with our electoral and "5" counties in the USA will decide who the President is!

If they plan to kill newborns they won't hesitate to do in the old and the weak in the near future!

Maybe it ie time the producers quit producing anything. Watch the whole deck of cards scatter in the breeze.

we can't,thats where the injustice lies.thats for the ones that don't produce,not those that do.

Man,i'm startin to sound like Gary-i need some sleep.

Lol

Now do the math in Revelation on how many will die. The math in the globalist plan for ideal population is about the same that is left after all the seals are opened!

It's gonna be biblical!

Agenda 21

i don't think there is a better time to be "right" with our father Brian.

What's scary to me is the difficulty we're having finding common ground .

Used to be , you could sit across and be civil with a staunch Republican and a yellow dog Democrat . There's a few havens that are left ( southeast Oklahoma comes to mind ) where it's possible .

And I'm just as guilty . I hear a Democrat and immediately see Antifa, socialists, PETA, and others.

People who whine and complain about lawyers never hesitate to hire one when they need the help or protection. Suddenly they want the best lawyer around.

Medical malpractice cases are tremendously expensive so usually only the most severe cases are filed. When somebody wins it is sensational. However when someone suffers a serious or fatal disaster it is usually not newsworthy.

May your oxe never be gored.

Yeah, well, I guess I live in just too nice of a metro because crap described here-- burning down one's house and threatening firefighters to cross "your line" by gun point just doesn't happen around here. How do the EMS people know you're not burning the house down with your family inside of it? How do they know you actually own it outright-- if your wife's name is on the title and you're not divorced yet and settled up, that's destruction of somebody's joint property.

Whatever, why don't some of you guys actually find a little sunshine in your lives and do something that's uplifting for others. Doesn't it get old being miserable all the time complaining would how terrible you really have it...? I can get sucked into that negative vortex as well but I don't want to live there. Before 9/11 happened, I got entangled on-line with a true revolutionary communist (I think he was down at the state university) who espoused about everything I dislike in a political worldview. We went round and around about half a dozen times, dancing the line basically pledging each other has much harm as possible if we ever met up in graphic detail. I finally just ended it because it accomplished nothing but keeping me down in his pit of hatred. Just not good for my soul. Life is too short to constantly live in bottom of a well of despair. But Satan loves the company there even if you don't believe in him....

Good luck telling the truth to this bunch.

Jim

What does a lawyer who would’ “vote for any Democrat with a pulse,” know about the truth?

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This is a really good sentiment. We all really do have it good - and I believe better than most people in any other country. And yes, some better or worse than others. Getting down about our own problems is bad enough, but getting down and wallowing in the mire about someone else is really looking for a reason to be down. People on here have tremendous freedom and are able to have the luxury of access to a computer and the nternet or at least a smartphone. And people have fun posting about what is for dinner - inspired by Patrice’s culinary talents and others as well. I much prefer to be positive. Sometimes I get down about a problem or situation and shake myself back to thinking how great life is. I have some very serious health problems due to an injury. My wife recently had cardiac arrest and temporarily died at the hospital. They kept blood and oxygen flowing using cpr and restarted her heart on the 5th try. She has no ill effects except for long term concerns. I see miracles frequently and appreciate them. Maybe try looking for miracles in life or at least thinking that your glass is half full. I need to do that too. Yes, Satan is very busy everyday, and has the benefit of many folks not even believing he exists.

Jim - agreed completely about most here. I hope they never experience first hand what can happen in the context of even considering a malpractice claim. And I am not bashing doctors. Mistakes and accidents can happen in any profession or field.

So I hope everyone has a positive and productive day and maybe even see a miracle in your own life or someone else’s life. Maybe even do or say something to someone that is the beginning of a miracle.

Best wishes.

Yep, sun is going to shine today, snow is gonna melt, birds are gonna sing. Fish will be biting soon. No sense in being concerned about the future. Our elected officials will keep us safe.

Im guessing about a third of the countries in this world we would not even be able to voice our opinions argue or discuss like we do on this site. We need to be thankful find some common ground with the center and not the far right or left or things will never get straight.

The elected officials may only save you if your too big to fail. Might stand a better chance with a go fund me account, lol.
I remember Willie Nelson trying to save as many homes he could, but the problem was too big for even him. The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming, and they came. Not to buy food, but the soul of the country.

The poor people are not the cause, just the noise. God must like them or he wouldn't have made so many. The church used to be the welfare system and with that they had alot of power. You either agreed to their ways or you would be excommunicated. Which today may seem no big deal, but then you was basically cut off from the living. If you was old and broken, or young and deserted you was in dire straits. Welfare has always been a hot political item. Stephen got stoned to death over that very thing. Even after all this time the poor are still with us.

I heard a story about a rich guy out driving one Saturday looking all his holdings over. He admired his big fields full of the best herd of cows in the county, and that timber was the best ever, those oil wells that didn't hardly need pumps for they flowed on their own. He thought, oh how rich I am. Then just before he got back to his mansion and passed by a little 10 acre patch where a crazy old religious fanatic lived. There was the old man sitting at a make do table praying. He thought he would stop and be friendly. He had been wanting that 10 acres for years, to make his many sections all complete. He interuped the old man and asked him what he was doing, he said he was just asking a blessing over his meager meal. Then in conversation the old man said he had a dream last night that the richest man in the county would die tonight. After the short conversation the rich guy sped off in his cadilac, thinking the old man was crazy but he had made predictions before and some had come true. Just to be safe he invited his doctor friend to come and spend the night with him. They played cards all night and as the sun come up the doctor left. The rich guy thought to himself the crazy old man was just that and that he was a fool just listening to him. In a few minutes the doctor returned and told the rich guy that his neighbor had died last night and he just found him dead on the porch. If you have God for a friend to trust in the good times and bad then you truely are rich!

How many times do we witness the stone throwing and the truth fallen in the streets, then go on our merry way to where the dog returns to the vomit and the sow to the mire?

kumbaya

To me rich is good health, family and friends cant have much of a life without those.

Im guessing about a third of the countries in this world we would not even be able to voice our opinions argue or discuss like we do on this site. We need to be thankful find some common ground with the center and not the far right or left or things will never get straight.

I agree that we are fortunate to live in a country such as ours,but as far as the ability to voice conservative thought,that type of free speech is waning.Throughout social media conservative thought is being edited out of the vernacular. Algorithms being used to squelch any arguments contrary to the lefts positions.Bots being used to deceive a viewer as to how many (likes) a progressive liberal has attained. And then there is this. Why wasn't this guy arrested on disorderly conduct ?

No

Democrats and Republicans still get along. I have a bunch of Democrat friends. They don't vote Democrat anymore because the Democratic party has been hijacked by communist! Can't have a rational discussion With an ideology that contradicts everything you believe in and stand for.

Then they aren't Democrats anymore.

Fence riders are useless

The truth has little to do with the outcome in a courtroom, if you have a lawyer that works on the truth most folks would be screwed!

Didn't their income allow them to buy at least some kind of healthcare?
This happens more often than Americans want to believe but asking for something to be done about it labels one as a socialist. I guess a "good" conservative takes the position: Pay up, don't get sick, or die-it's all free choice.

No, asking the goverment to pay for everything labels one as a socialist. There are plenty of other options.

Isn't getting sick or accident then asking for help a little different than expecting it up front. If someone prays a silent prayer for help with something and someone shows up on their door step with the answer should he refuse it.
The people may have refused to get hooked up on the "program" simply because they didn't want Obumer care. Hind sight is 20/20.

A guy was in a flood and was on top of his porch and a boat came by, but he refused help and said God was going to save him. Then the water rose and the guy went to the housetop and another boat came by, but again he refused and said God was going to save him, the water rose more and the guy went up the tv tower and still another boat came by and he refused. Then he drowned and went to heaven and asked God why he let him drown and he said " fool I sent 3 guys after you"

I'm thinking charity has a different meaning when we refuse to work and expect the gov to school, feed, clothe, house, free phones, and on and on.
Charity in the church can get complicated too may be why its in the governments hands.

Personally I had the chance to give to a mother and two teenagers at the counter at a grocery store but I saw all three put their cigarettes out before going in. I don't know Gods feelings on that, maybe I shorted myself a blessing. Had I gave it to them and they misused it, it would have been on them not me.

Some of us was taught that charity begins at home. St. Paul taught that if you don't work , you don't eat.