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Re: Wolverine populations up
[Re: yukon254]
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I can see a real reason to manage harvest with season length where people are too dense in both definitions of dense. 
 
  
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Re: Wolverine populations up
[Re: yukon254]
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Mike.   Just to be  clear......I  am not advocating for  a  shorter  season either.       But there  may  be  some  other means  of  reducing  the  threat to  those  kits  by  reducing  the  likelihood  that  mom is  harvested.   I was  just agreeing  with Dave  that  those  females  are pregnant  the  entire  season  ..........depending  on how we  use  the  term "pregnant" Good  point  Dirt     
 
  
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Re: Wolverine populations up
[Re: yukon254]
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 04/01/19 12:36 PM
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Seriously, March is flying weather. No refuge safe from the airplane trappers (gunners?), 
 
  
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Re: Wolverine populations up
[Re: white17]
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That's  true !  So  are you  saying  we could  reduce  that  potential illegal harvest  by eliminating March as   part of the  season ? Only the legal harvest. There is no March season here. Probably for a reason. The wolverine density here is nothing like it was before the oil thing according to the old timers. It never will improve, it is the new norm. Of course, if they are not flying to trap wolves and wolverine in March, they probably won't fly just to specifically gun one. Target of opportunity.  The bigger problem is planes can access the high ground in March and set anywhere. Not a problem if their wasn't 400,000 people 1 hr or less away by plane.  
 
  
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Re: Wolverine populations up
[Re: white17]
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 04/01/19 01:10 PM
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so  if I understand what  you are  saying  you  think  maybe a restriction on airplane  trapping  in  March  would  be  helpful ? If you want to provide some refuge and you have airplane trappers and you want to try an increase your wolverine population it should help. Sealing data tells you who trapped wolverine and got there using an airplane and when they harvested those wolverine and if they are females or males. This should tell you if you have a significant March airplane harvest.  
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Re: Wolverine populations up
[Re: yukon254]
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My problem with them shortening the season is that it takes wolverine off the table for some trappers. As an example, a few years ago I traded my old trapline up in the Logans for a trapline with easier access. My old line was excellent wolverine country but marginal for marten. The fellow that I traded with had had that line for many many years. His average over the years was about one wolverine every other year or so. Then he started doing wolf hunts in late Feb. early March and his wolverine catch skyrocketed. 
  When I got the line I was doing the guided trapping thing so I was out there all season. I wouldnt see a wolverine track until mid Feb. or so, then I would see sign everywhere. I would routinely take 3-4 every season there, all of them late in the season, and most of them males. My son has that line now and it hasn't changed. For whatever reason wolverines dont frequent that area until later on in the winter. There are a lot of trappers in the same situation, so next year when our season is shortened there will be some trappers that wont have an opportunity to catch them, even though the population is in great shape by all accounts. 
  Luckily for me, the trapline I have now has an excellent wolverine population and they are there all year so it wont effect me. Does anyone else notice that they seem to favour lower elevations later in the season?? 
  Interestingly northern California has a decent wolverine population, or so I have heard...not sure that fits with the dense human population theory.?  
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Re: Wolverine populations up
[Re: white17]
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I think  you are  right  about  moose  kills   Jarl.
  When  you  think about  it,  the  river systems  are  easier  travel  by  that time  of  year  and  moose...at least  in my  area....are   congregated  on the  willow  bars. Good point Ken. Maybe they move into these areas BECAUSE they can travel much easier/ further at that time of year? I've always assumed that they moved more late in the season because of mating season. The fact that my catch ratio is heavy on the male side at that time of year would seem to indicate that is true, at least to some degree, but it certainly could be a combination of both.  
 
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Re: Wolverine populations up
[Re: white17]
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I think  you are  right  about  moose  kills   Jarl.
  When  you  think about  it,  the  river systems  are  easier  travel  by  that time  of  year  and  moose...at least  in my  area....are   congregated  on the  willow  bars. And there we get into the wolverine/wolf  relationship. Don’t know if my increased numbers are just animals pushed down due to higher than normal snow depths from areas they would have stayed at .  
 
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Re: Wolverine populations up
[Re: yukon254]
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Not sure what it is but we are seeing more the last few yrs especially late season males when the females are denning not just overall numbers but seeing them coming in closer to town. Our conditions have been less than stellar to trap them the last few yrs and am thinking that may have something to do with it 
 
  
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