You have a bad case of the pot callin the kettle black Lug. Go back through the thread and see who started being a basher as you all call it. The first one I seen being a smart aleck was you, just sayin.....

What I was saying you can't say any organization has let you down if your not supporting them to begin with if a guy belong to the NRA or GOA it's not the problem it the ones that don't support anything not even the local gun club that think it should be this way or that way join and have a voice but until then your part of the problem!

You can't win the pot if you don't ante up!

You never heard me bash the NRA or any other gun rights group and you never will.

Even if I was narrow-minded enough to focus on a small amount of negatives and ignore the huge amount of good a pro-2A group did I would never even think abouit bad-mouthing them on an open forum. That's like cutting off your nose to spite your face!

If you don't like the NRA and what they stand for fine, it's a free Country. But as a gun-owner, why would anyone feel the need to openly tear them down repeating the same tired old crap over and over again? And it's not an isolated incident. Every single NRA thread here on Tman gets turned into a bashing by a few bitter, vocal folks.

We have more than enough liberals to do that, don't need gun owners cutting our own throats.

I wasn't talking about you bashing the NRA, you are the one who started being a smart aleck. And I was trying to have a conversation, show me where I bashed!

Is this the same catch that does the same thing every week something you want to talk about going on?

I wasn't being a smart Alec. You were the one that said:



I do consider that bashing. I also consider it a ridiculous statement given the excellent track record the NRA has had in having anti-gun cases overturned. That is why I said:

Those of you upset that I point out the NRA supports and defends gun control need to quit pretending they don't. It's the only reason I feel compelled to point it out.

Plenty of people like red flag laws, bump stock bans and background checks. They are fine with the idea that militia should have a difficult and expensive time procuring military grade weapons. Those folks will be happy to send money. You need to quit trying to recruit people with the mantra that NRA is against gun control laws.

I'm still waiting for the list of federal gun laws on the books not supported by the NRA

Lol, bashing. I went out of my way to explain that I wasn't being facetious and that wasn't good enough for you I guess. Your the one who, instead of saying I disagree, you go right away to, ridiculous and can't keep their mouths shut. I am pointing out FACTS that may be one of the reasons the NRA is losing monies. IMO, I think people are starting to look in to the real NRA history and what they have done recently, and are not renewing. I'm sure there are other factors as well.

Been a member for years, and I'm not an anti, but...when I was talking with a fundraiser guy over the phone, I aske about that infringement on Florida gun owners, concerning pstd and not allowing them folks their 2nd amendment rights, and he said, and I quote , "we sure dropped the ball on that one". Quite apologetic, he was, while asking for more money.

I may not have my facts totally straight concerning the issue, but one of you might recall how it actually went.

I think Red Flag laws will be an abuse in waiting, I wish bump stocks had never been invented and I don't have a problem with instant background checks as long as there is no waiting period.


Do you have a problem with instant background checks? I'm genuinely curious.

Yes. People denied are never arrested. It is a crime to lie on the form to purchase. The whole thing was to create a registry of gun owners.

I also believe if a person is so dangerous they can not be trusted to arm themselves they should not be released from prison.

Does anybody reading this think insta check has ever stopped even one crime?

The MSM's unrelenting attacks on the NRA are prima facie evidence of the NRA's effectiveness. I'm a supporter.

It has stopped felons from buying guns but not all felons are dangerous and shouldn't automatically be deprived of their 2nd Amendment right.

do drug laws stop felons from buying drugs?

I can't speak to whether persons falsifying forms have been prosecuted or not but I agree with the "registry of gun owners" aspect of your post.

As this began as a post in wondering why the NRA would not respond to an inquiry, no one has addressed this, as it appears no one here has any experience with the NRA upper echelon. Without explanation of how, I have as a writer had such experience, and can relate they are not interested in members as what manages the NRA is interested in the closed group and not the members. In stating that, the NRA of the last 20 years is not the NRA of Harlon Carter who took it from a few hundred thousand members to millions.

When the NRA switched from 20 dollar year fees to 35 dollar a year fees, I did try to alert them that this was a huge mistake in membership. As a child, I did not realize that the purpose was calculated to censor the poor gun owning Americans, and this is what has been the urban NRA to not respond to a traditional American gun ownership, where firearms are a tool of daily life. Tom Greshem of Gun Talk summed this up as his position on the NRA changed in 2016 where he stated the NRA could no longer be electing Harry Reid in Nevada, who was busy smashing the NRA base in the NRA being a one issue organization. In addition, Mr. Gresham has challenged the NRA new outlook in selling insurance for profit and not focusing on defending gun rights.

2016 was a promise made for a national carry law. The NRA did not press the issue. The GOP which promised this as policy did not even attempt to pass it in Congress for the President who went silent on it. Two years were deliberately wasted and now it is gone, and the issue is moved to Republican states where they are making Constitutional carry a reality.

I have read the comments here of either you put up or shut up, as if the giving of money to a gun group is the solution, when they have proven they will not listen to the members. The few dollars I can afford, have not gone to national movements or parties. I have instead donated money, time and initiatives in supporting people who actually have restored rights to Americans. When was the last time anyone here invested the time to cultivate a relationship with the media, in radio, television, print or internet, so a pro firearms person was provided a friendly platform to not only get elected, but keep moving up higher to a governorship.
As an example, one of the main reasons western Minnesota, North and South Dakota have a network of pro gun, pro life, pro job political and civic leaders is because a man named Scott Hennen of Fargo put together a radio network which promotes the leadership which gains control over the machinery which restores rights.

Everyone here has purchased expensive lures which caught nothing but possum or skunk. When that happens, you stop giving that maker money and move on to what works. You are the gun lobby, not the NRA. It is easier to throw money at things and get nothing done. It takes skill to be a trapper and with conversation develop relationships with people who will help in the media and politics to implement the restoration of rights. It is public relations and takes time. The community organizers have taken control of the national mechanism, and that is why they are turning purple the Conservative states as they know that is the mechanism the founders installed to counter the federal.

If you have money for the NRA dues, then please send them, but as a member, get your name on a petition and get elected to the board, and then set the NRA in the direction which is the complaint posted again and again here, so that is responds to members and fulfills restoration of the Second.

Life member here. I'm not happy with everything the NRA does, but they do more for my 2nd A rights than I can do just griping on my own.

Putting aside specific legislation, politicians are greatly influenced by a single issue organization with that many dues paying members. It does tilt some votes toward our favor or at least towards neutrality in swing districts.

Here's another example of what the NRA does. They come out in favor of compromise, then try to retreat. If you look at the comments, it does support a reason why some NRA members have left them.

When a felon attempts to purchase a firearm it's supposed to be an automatic 5 year sentence... And the last time I read the statistics (NRA stats IIRC) it almost never happens. The felon is denied purchase of the weapon. But there is no follow up and resulting prosecution.

The NRA has long stood against new gun control legislation and instead has stated that we should be enforcing the laws we have... They are fine with the federal laws we have in place.

The NRA is not anti gun control... They are anti MORE gun control. They don't want us to move backward, but they sure don't seem to be about moving us forward.

Mike