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Re: NAFA IMPLODING ? [Re: Rat Masterson] #6520518
04/18/19 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
Other fur is selling it's just cheap, rats for one, and North America is not the only place providing them.

Where else are they produced ?


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Re: NAFA IMPLODING ? [Re: walleyed] #6520519
04/18/19 12:39 AM
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Must be a by-product of the Chinese ratmeat market.


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Re: NAFA IMPLODING ? [Re: trapper les] #6520522
04/18/19 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by trapper les
Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
Other fur is selling it's just cheap, rats for one, and North America is not the only place providing them.

Where else are they produced ?


Kazakhstan and my understanding is the Chinese don't charge a tariff on fur from that region. Isn't international trade wonderful?

Last edited by Steven 49er; 04/18/19 01:17 AM.

"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
Re: NAFA IMPLODING ? [Re: walleyed] #6520528
04/18/19 01:47 AM
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That's one, there is another Stan, can't remember the other. They are smaller but cheaper and for liners they work.

Re: NAFA IMPLODING ? [Re: walleyed] #6520533
04/18/19 03:26 AM
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This pretty much has everything to do with the coming reduction in ranch mink production and has very little to do with wild fur. The solicitors were for the mink ranchers.


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Re: NAFA IMPLODING ? [Re: walleyed] #6520537
04/18/19 04:24 AM
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The demand for fur is there. China and Russia just don't have a very valuable currency. That will change. What is not likely to change is Scandinavian subsidies on ranch fur. Anytime any government interferes with free trade the results are undesirable.

NAFA has alienated a lot of trappers. For a lot of reasons. NAFA needs to remember they need producers more than producers need them.


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Re: NAFA IMPLODING ? [Re: walleyed] #6520547
04/18/19 05:57 AM
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Interesting to read how these threads go off in all kinds of directions.
All NAFA did was adjust to the present market conditions, our new CEO is dealing with a tough market and is making the correct decisions to ensure the future for the company.
Kopenhagen is on it's third round of downsizing cuts to match the market.
For the last couple of years NAFA has been downsizing by attrition not replacing people that retired or have left the company. Unfortunately the present reality forced the company to further reduce staffing levels.
No company can afford to pay staff that they don't have work for.
At least half if not more of the ranch mink farms in Canada and to a lesser extend in the US have pelted out and closed down.
We just witness the smallest harvest of wild fur in North America,
Bottom line is less skins to sell equals less people needed in the operation.
The fact that we publicly announced the decision to our shippers is to help keep our shippers informed, it should not be read by the NAFA haters as anything more than what it is.
Jim

Re: NAFA IMPLODING ? [Re: gibb] #6520559
04/18/19 06:33 AM
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My exact thoughts Jim - people have taken this announcement and run a 100 miles south with it.

Re: NAFA IMPLODING ? [Re: walleyed] #6520564
04/18/19 06:48 AM
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Are NAFA agents in North America being let go?


Eh...wot?

Re: NAFA IMPLODING ? [Re: white17] #6520609
04/18/19 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by white17
See what happens when you let Canada Goose dictate who your certified trappers can be ??? smile

At least the certification issue has been solved.


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Re: NAFA IMPLODING ? [Re: walleyed] #6520615
04/18/19 08:14 AM
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Well there you go again gibb, pouring a dose of rational explanation on a perfectly good sky is falling scenario!

Re: NAFA IMPLODING ? [Re: mink99] #6520625
04/18/19 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by mink99
This pretty much has everything to do with the coming reduction in ranch mink production and has very little to do with wild fur. The solicitors were for the mink ranchers.




If that is the case then why not just say that in the email? Why not say ranch mink solicitors instead of leading the wild fur producers to believe that they may be losing their agents?

I can’t stand vague emails. I want to know the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Lollll

Re: NAFA IMPLODING ? [Re: walleyed] #6520629
04/18/19 08:47 AM
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83 cents....that is more than they are averaging today!


I think you're a little over dramatic there (probably not much coon is Idaho). My coon average at the Feb/Mar NAFA sale was $17.08. Now, that's based on a small lot (because I don't trap a lot) but that's considerablely better than in 2018. I'm sure my May/June sale ave will be less because I have more smaller skins up there but it won't be no fricking 83 cents...


"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground".
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Re: NAFA IMPLODING ? [Re: rpmartin] #6520631
04/18/19 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by rpmartin
I wonder if nafa hacked to many sellers off after giving the the buyers to good of deals in the bargain cave, aka the private treaty sale room. I'm new at this but think most of this is self inflicted. They done shot themselves in the foot.


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Re: NAFA IMPLODING ? [Re: walleyed] #6520644
04/18/19 09:15 AM
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hate to see anyone lose a job but will shed no tears for the company.









Re: NAFA IMPLODING ? [Re: walleyed] #6520654
04/18/19 09:26 AM
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In my opinion this next sale is when nafa will be more aggressive in the private treaty sales due to them not wanting to hold the fur over. The buyers know this and will licking their chops looking for bargains.

I would like to be proven wrong on this.


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Re: NAFA IMPLODING ? [Re: walleyed] #6520656
04/18/19 09:42 AM
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Hate to see anyone lose their job. Mr.Gibb said it very well. Overall a good business decision.

Re: NAFA IMPLODING ? [Re: walleyed] #6520686
04/18/19 10:17 AM
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Business decisions are tough. You either evolve or you die! Better years ahead for all fur producers and sellers is the hope and goal!

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Re: NAFA IMPLODING ? [Re: Hodagtrapper] #6520695
04/18/19 10:31 AM
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There may be many in the know that could post for us the number of local fur buyers that have closed shop over the last 2-4 decades. That might help us better understand the staff reductions that NAFA is dealing with.
I agree with the statement that the firm is establishing their baseline for a significantly reduced ranch mink fur industry. How many of the 50-80 million ranch mink NAFA handles I don't know but a 20-30% drop in ranch production has way more impact in employees needed than the entire wild fur production in North America.

Bryce

Re: NAFA IMPLODING ? [Re: upstateNY] #6520706
04/18/19 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by upstateNY
Originally Posted by Jurassic Park
Nafa should only be available to Canadians. Americans can sell to groeny.


What does the first A in NAFA stand for?You should sell your fur to FFCLA.Foo Foo Canada Land Auction.



I wonder how much fur they sell comes from Mexico? You guys can join Mexico and sell your pelts to ECHA. El Chapo Hair Auction.

Last edited by Jurassic Park; 04/18/19 10:42 AM.

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