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Re: Yellowstone Wolves in Decline [Re: Dirty D] #6538507
05/16/19 09:13 AM
05/16/19 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirty D
Originally Posted by MTHunter

But they are concerned someone released lake trout in Yellowstone lake.


You do know why they are concerned with lake trout in Yellowstone lake and its effect?

For those that aren't here is the problem with Lake trout (non-native in Yellowstone lake).
1) they eat the native Cutthroat Trout
2) Lake Trout spawn in the lake, Cutthroat Trout spawn in rivers/creeks.
3) Less Cutthroat Trout in the rivers/creeks in the spring eliminates a traditional food source for Grizzly Bears.
4) Grizzly Bears now need to find alternative food in spring, They found it, Elk calves.
5) Less Cuttthroat Trout equals less Elk.

So for those concerned with the elk population they should be behind the elimination of a Non-native Fish species that changed the the Park for the worse.




Ha! I can just inside you back in WI thinking about griz catching cutthroat running up a river like a coastal bear in ak! That is a bs story cooked up by griz lovers that need a reason to keep them listed. Griz around here have always killed deer fawns and elk, buffalo and beef calves.

Last edited by Jackdale; 05/16/19 09:14 AM.
Re: Yellowstone Wolves in Decline [Re: EdP] #6538519
05/16/19 09:29 AM
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Ding ding ding. Spot on accurate.


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Re: Yellowstone Wolves in Decline [Re: EdP] #6538667
05/16/19 01:40 PM
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30 years of observations from Arctic Red River showed the majority of moose calf mortality was due to Black bears. Wolf packs took way less. That makes sense as wolves have there own pups to worry about at that time of year and packs tend to disperse so they probably would concentrate on easier to catch more available small game like beaver and rabbit during fawning season. a beaver has a ton of fat compaired to a moose calf.

Re: Yellowstone Wolves in Decline [Re: EdP] #6538671
05/16/19 01:51 PM
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When a wolf eats a cow, it ate every calf that cow may have produced. I know of a study where wolves were the primary predators of moose calves beating out the browns and the blacks. So things are variable.


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Re: Yellowstone Wolves in Decline [Re: muskrat411] #6538688
05/16/19 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by muskrat411
30 years of observations from Arctic Red River showed the majority of moose calf mortality was due to Black bears. Wolf packs took way less. That makes sense as wolves have there own pups to worry about at that time of year and packs tend to disperse so they probably would concentrate on easier to catch more available small game like beaver and rabbit during fawning season. a beaver has a ton of fat compaired to a moose calf.


That is what we found here also. Bears were taking far more calves than wolves. But wolves took more adult moose that bears did.


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Re: Yellowstone Wolves in Decline [Re: EdP] #6538748
05/16/19 04:13 PM
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Yeah I would assume that I think it just had to do with wolves being busy during calving. Also probably smarter to take on a beaver or goose than risk injury taking on a mad cow moose when you have pups in the den. Also bears probably drive wolves off a large kill fairly quickly so not worth there effort.

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