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The Dangers of No Knock Warrants #6570224
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A Milwaukee police officer was killed last winter when his tactical team was executing a no-knock warrant for some gun charges. He was doing his job. The resident and target of the warrant thought he was about to be the victim of a home invasion and didn't believe they were the police when the unit was outside announcing themselves.

I believe him. Not sure I completely fault him though at the same time I feel he shouldn't get off. I'm conflicted.



I little background. My step father wasn't the most upstanding citizen when I was a child. The ATF and Sheriff were attempting to execute a no knock. I spotted them and thought it was one of my friends screwing around. I opened the door and they stormed in. My mother fought them tooth and nail because we thought we also were being invaded. It wasn't until the sheriffs came in with their windbreaker jackets that we understood they were police. If my mother had a gun that evening she would've used it. And this story would've been much more tragic.

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Re: The Dangers of No Knock Warrants [Re: Pike River] #6570250
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Some scumbags even use this as a weapon against people they don't like or as a joke on their friends. They call in a 911 and claim break-in and when the cops show up and hit the place, misunderstandings have gotten people killed.


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Re: The Dangers of No Knock Warrants [Re: Pike River] #6570257
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i saw a no knock warrant being executed once. have no trust in LE anymore. A man his wife ands 2 kids. Over marijuana seeds. nothing more than thugs playing with guns


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Re: The Dangers of No Knock Warrants [Re: Pike River] #6570265
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No knock warrants shouldn't be allowed, they came about as a result of the war on drugs. There has been to many innocent people killed by this tactic by police, they can't even get the address right in some cases. Even one innocent citizens death isn't worth allowing no knocks, there are better ways to resolve whatever issue needs dealt without killing innocent people.

Re: The Dangers of No Knock Warrants [Re: Pike River] #6570326
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Yep. No knock raids for non-violent offenses are a joke. If anyone is interested in reading about this subject, I recommend the book Rise of the Warrior Cop by Radley Balko.


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Re: The Dangers of No Knock Warrants [Re: Pike River] #6570346
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I imagine a whole lot of people's dogs get shot during a no knock warrant, since the people in the house don't get the chance to put their dogs away or restrain them. One of my instructors in the police academy, Mike, had the department record of shooting 9 dogs, while arresting people in 6 different houses. I had him over to my house, socially, once and my 2 dogs at the time did not like him at all. Mike had been bitten badly twice and I think he was pretty scared of dogs. Mike once shot a pitbull in the head, that had knocked him down and was shaking him by the knee. The dog had been in the locked bathroom with it's owner, who was flushing drugs down the toilet, when Mike kicked the door open.

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Re: The Dangers of No Knock Warrants [Re: WiscoNate] #6570516
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Originally Posted by WiscoNate
Yep. No knock raids for non-violent offenses are a joke. If anyone is interested in reading about this subject, I recommend the book Rise of the Warrior Cop by Radley Balko.


Ill check it out.

Re: The Dangers of No Knock Warrants [Re: K52] #6570518
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Originally Posted by K52
No knock warrants shouldn't be allowed, they came about as a result of the war on drugs. There has been to many innocent people killed by this tactic by police, they can't even get the address right in some cases. Even one innocent citizens death isn't worth allowing no knocks, there are better ways to resolve whatever issue needs dealt without killing innocent people.

About 10 years ago the PD went to the wrong address. Shots were traded and two residents and one officer were injured.

Both officers and residents seem to be needlessly put into harmsway.

Re: The Dangers of No Knock Warrants [Re: Pike River] #6570520
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Re: The Dangers of No Knock Warrants [Re: KeithC] #6570566
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Originally Posted by KeithC
Mike once shot a pitbull in the head, that had knocked him down and was shaking him by the knee. The dog had been in the locked bathroom with it's owner, who was flushing drugs down the toilet, when Mike kicked the door open.

Keith


Mike should have knocked.

It is universally excepted etiquette to knock first, if someone is using the bathroom. laugh

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Re: The Dangers of No Knock Warrants [Re: Pike River] #6570578
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Re: The Dangers of No Knock Warrants [Re: Pike River] #6570587
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Originally Posted by Pike River
A Milwaukee police officer was killed last winter when his tactical team was executing a no-knock warrant for some gun charges. He was doing his job. The resident and target of the warrant thought he was about to be the victim of a home invasion and didn't believe they were the police when the unit was outside announcing themselves.

I believe him. Not sure I completely fault him though at the same time I feel he shouldn't get off. I'm conflicted.



I little background. My step father wasn't the most upstanding citizen when I was a child. The ATF and Sheriff were attempting to execute a no knock. I spotted them and thought it was one of my friends screwing around. I opened the door and they stormed in. My mother fought them tooth and nail because we thought we also were being invaded. It wasn't until the sheriffs came in with their windbreaker jackets that we understood they were police. If my mother had a gun that evening she would've used it. And this story would've been much more tragic.



Im not sure you, or some others for that matter, actually know what a no-knock is. You state is your opening paragraph that they executed a no-knock and the person in the house didnt believe it was the police while they were outside announcing themselves?? Make up your mind if youre getting all the cop haters spun up over the right thing i guess.....

Re: The Dangers of No Knock Warrants [Re: DWC] #6570596
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Originally Posted by DWC
Originally Posted by Pike River
A Milwaukee police officer was killed last winter when his tactical team was executing a no-knock warrant for some gun charges. He was doing his job. The resident and target of the warrant thought he was about to be the victim of a home invasion and didn't believe they were the police when the unit was outside announcing themselves.

I believe him. Not sure I completely fault him though at the same time I feel he shouldn't get off. I'm conflicted.



I little background. My step father wasn't the most upstanding citizen when I was a child. The ATF and Sheriff were attempting to execute a no knock. I spotted them and thought it was one of my friends screwing around. I opened the door and they stormed in. My mother fought them tooth and nail because we thought we also were being invaded. It wasn't until the sheriffs came in with their windbreaker jackets that we understood they were police. If my mother had a gun that evening she would've used it. And this story would've been much more tragic.



Im not sure you, or some others for that matter, actually know what a no-knock is. You state is your opening paragraph that they executed a no-knock and the person in the house didnt believe it was the police while they were outside announcing themselves?? Make up your mind if youre getting all the cop haters spun up over the right thing i guess.....

Just repeating the news report which was based off a statement from the department.

Re: The Dangers of No Knock Warrants [Re: Pike River] #6570628
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I'm sure kicking in doors has its proper time and reason. But I think they are probably overused. I'm sure the element of surprise is often very useful - especially if you need to catch someone with drugs in the house. But in many cases I would think knocking first and asking for voluntary compliance would be safer for the subject, the cops, and any other folks who happen to be in dwelling or even in the area. If the subject of the arrest doesn't comply immediately, just surround the house and wait them out. In most cases the subject of the arrest will probably comply peacefully eventually. I'm sure knocking on the door first wouldn't be the best plan in every case. There must be good reason for no-knock warrants in some cases. But I'm afraid they are often used when other tactics would be safer.

I'll bet the coppers have lots of studies and statistics to show evidence of why the no-knock warrants are needed.


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Re: The Dangers of No Knock Warrants [Re: Pike River] #6570635
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Im sure there should be a exemption if they are terrorist building bombs or should the feds be polite and knock. There is no perfect world and there is a reason for a no knock and they judge does not hand out the paperwork for one without due process, again it is not a perfect world.

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Re: The Dangers of No Knock Warrants [Re: Pike River] #6570659
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A guy here at work had his door kicked in by police. He was at work when it happened - nobody was home. They were looking for his sister's ex-husband who was (and still is) a murder suspect. They confiscated my co-workers guns while they were in the house. They sent an officer here to work to let him know that his front door is not secure.

He has to pay to fix his own door. I don't know if he has his guns back yet or what the process was.


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Re: The Dangers of No Knock Warrants [Re: Pike River] #6570764
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Re: The Dangers of No Knock Warrants [Re: Pike River] #6570768
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When doing a no knock warrant after the door is breached law enforcement officers are identifying them selves shouting. But yes they can and do go wrong

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.Happened to my daughter and 3 year old granddaughter in the middle of one night. Police had the right house number...wrong street. That was an experience they will never forget.

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