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He will have to do something or lose the election.
What he should do is say something to the effect of "no more gun control", "no gun free zones", people need to carry to protect themselves", etc etc.
I agree with you on this. Regardless of the speech, which at about the 7 min mark He clearly said he supports red flag laws.His tweet said it clearly that he supports stronger backround checks and red flag laws. Take your guns first then, you prove your not a nut to them. He shouldn't have taken that stance if he believes in he 2nd. What he should have said is meanwhile in Chicago this weekend, a city with very strict gun laws, Mt Sinai hospital had to turn away gun shot victims because of over capacity issues.
I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Just read that the Dayton shooter was suspended from school in 2012 for compiling a kill list of people he wanted to kill and a rape list of women he wanted to rape. A big red flag. Seems like he was unstable and maybe with a proper background check, he would have been prevented from legally purchasing a firearm.
We don't need any more gun control laws. We just need to enforce the ones we have.
Boy they are cut form the same mold. What gives,conspiracy, underground movement by kids? Rotten little S*B's, just gonna ruin it for us sportsman in general. law abiding and normal.
When a politician talks of enacting red flag laws, it raises a red flag for me. In a normal election cycle I wouldn't even consider voting for said politician. Unfortunately this is not a normal cycle and I'm left with no other choice but to lose small slices of liberty because the other choice would guarantee the lose of it all. The hope being in 2024 there will be an actual candidate who will zealously defend all the Constitution including the 2A.
Re: More gun control
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#6588486 08/05/1901:00 PM08/05/1901:00 PM
When a politician talks of enacting red flag laws, it raises a red flag for me. In a normal election cycle I wouldn't even consider voting for said politician. Unfortunately this is not a normal cycle and I'm left with no other choice but to lose small slices of liberty because the other choice would guarantee the lose of it all. The hope being in 2024 there will be an actual candidate who will zealously defend all the Constitution including the 2A.
Very well said!
I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: More gun control
[Re: white17]
#6588490 08/05/1901:07 PM08/05/1901:07 PM
Mental Illness and Mass Murder The FBI found 70% of shooters had ‘stressors’ or ‘concerning behaviors’ prior to the attack.
By E. Fuller Torrey Aug. 4, 2019 5:46 pm ET
Based on the increase in the U.S. population, there are now some one million people with serious mental illness living among the general population who, 60 years ago, would have been treated in state mental hospitals. Multiple studies have reported that, at any given time, between 40% and 50% of them are receiving no treatment for their mental illness. With the best of intentions and the worst of planning, America has emptied out its public psychiatric hospitals without ensuring that the released patients would receive the necessary treatment to control their symptoms. What did we think would happen?
Now we have two more mass shootings, committed over a 13-hour period. In El Paso, Texas, 20 people were killed in what authorities have called a hate crime, while in Dayton, Ohio, the death toll is nine. One database claims these were the 21st and 22nd mass killings in the U.S. in 2019. Such databases vary depending on the number of dead required to meet the definition.
They also vary according to other factors. If, for example, they only count gun deaths, then they don’t include Adacia Chambers, diagnosed with bipolar disorder, who in 2015 killed four and injured 48 by driving her car into a parade crowd in Stillwater, Okla. What is clear from all the databases is that these mass killings are increasing in frequency and have been since the 1980s. Not coincidentally, that was when the emptying out of state mental hospitals was at its peak.
So what role does mental illness play in these mass killings? Multiple studies done between 2000 and 2015 suggest that about a third of mass killers have an untreated severe mental illness. If mental illness is defined more broadly, the percentage is higher. In 2018 the Federal Bureau of Investigation released a report titled “A Study of the Pre-Attack Behavior of Active Shooters in the United States Between 2008 and 2013.” It reported that 40% of the shooters had received a psychiatric diagnosis, and 70% had “mental health stressors” or “mental health concerning behaviors” before the attack.
Most recently, in July 2019, the U.S. Secret Service released its report “Mass Attacks in Public Spaces—2018.” The report covered 27 attacks that resulted in 91 deaths and 107 injuries. The investigators found that 67% of the suspects displayed symptoms of mental illness or emotional disturbance. In 93% of the incidents, the authorities found that the suspects had a history of threats or other troubling communications. The results were similar to those of another study published by the Secret Service on 28 such attacks in 2017.
It thus seems clear that untreated mental illness is playing a significant role in the rising incidence of mass killings. The widespread availability of guns obviously also plays a role. It should be emphasized that mentally ill patients who are receiving treatment are no more at risk for violence than the general population. Yet it is also clear that without treatment some seriously mentally ill people are at greater risk for violent behavior than the general population.
For those who are seriously mentally ill but who, because of their brain disease, are unaware of their illness and refuse treatment, it is sometimes necessary to require them to accept treatment as a condition for living in the community. This is often done under a program referred to as assisted outpatient treatment. Such treatment may involve injectable antipsychotic medication that can be effective for as long as three months. This should always be accompanied by a judicial process and legal protection of individual rights.
We know what to do to reduce the number of mass killings associated with mental illness. The question is whether we have the will to do it.
Dr. Torrey is founder of the Treatment Advocacy Center and author of “American Psychosis.”
Having a mental illness and being diagnosed with a mental illness are two completely different things. U think one could make the argument that every mass shooter has a mental illness,after no sane person blasts a room full of innocent people. But the way the current background check system works is that you have to have been diagnosed with a mental illness, and from what I've seen, only about 25% of mass shooters have been diagnosed with something before their shooting.
Re: More gun control
[Re: coydog2]
#6588491 08/05/1901:07 PM08/05/1901:07 PM
I heard what Sharon did.The news media really set the tone for what they thought Trump was going to say,based on his remarks before the press conference.I didn't hear what the media wanted to hear when he gave his speech.
Maine was/is toying with a "Red Flag" law. There are a lot of ex-wives who would never be threatened until they turn their gun-loving ex-husband in as a potential threat purely out of spite. So a judge has to approve it? Big deal, there are tons of liberal judges who would veto my right to own a gun under any circumstance. Terrible idea.
Re: More gun control
[Re: Marty]
#6588549 08/05/1902:32 PM08/05/1902:32 PM
Worse than terrible. No way I vote for Trump again. Man can make excuses for not keeping his word faster than a cat can cover feces
I'll vote for the slow burn over the swift loss of freedoms any day of the week, sad I know but that's what we have. I agree that there is a mental health problem, one of the problems. However circumventing one right to destroy another is not the way to handle it imo.
I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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[Re: Catch22]
#6588566 08/05/1902:44 PM08/05/1902:44 PM
Worse than terrible. No way I vote for Trump again. Man can make excuses for not keeping his word faster than a cat can cover feces
I'll vote for the slow burn over the swift loss of freedoms any day of the week, sad I know but that's what we have. I agree that there is a mental health problem, one of the problems. However circumventing one right to destroy another is not the way to handle it imo.
Don't accept a slow burn. The lunatics who want your guns contributed in a big way to the epidemic of out of control kids we see today. They view all guns as a threat.
Ok Posco, then what are we supposed to do? I think J Staton summed it up pretty well, what are our choices? Also, I am keeping in mind that some of this stuff won't clear the Senate but States rights with the support of our President is getting more and more red flag laws rockin and rollin.
I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....