Re: Cigarette smell and distance...
[Re: white17]
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I actually did not mean it as a joke. Sorry to come across that way. I'm just trying to figure out why Vietnam war lasted so long. If someone has a better explanation I'M all ears. It usually takes quite a while to finish a job when you are prohibited from using your tools Indeed . Another one of those rarely taught facts of "history." I was asking in case he has personal experience in that point in time ....it was a different twist I had not heard of before.
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Re: Cigarette smell and distance...
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08/16/19 08:12 PM
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So are you saying the VC or the NVA regulars did not smoke? That door swings both ways and based on my observations I find it hard to believe that smoking was a contributing factor to the length or the outcome. Wonder why it did not have an impact in WW11 then. Maybe the tobacco industry changed the cancer sticks so the odor was different.
Bryce It wasn't that they didn't smoke, it was that they were more intune to their surroundings. Just like an earlier commenter, they could smell the smoke across the valley because they were hunting and were keen to their surroundings. Remember ....these were rural hill people that would makebtee most redneck of us seem metropolitan. Disclosure: I wasn't there, just passing on stories from others.
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Re: Cigarette smell and distance...
[Re: Canvasback2]
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Thanks for sharing, I don't have any personal experience. I just wanted to hear some other people's point of view.
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Re: Cigarette smell and distance...
[Re: bblwi]
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08/16/19 09:18 PM
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Thanks White 17 you beat me to a response, no need to add to that, other than the idea that we were fighting NVA that were a bunch of uneducated,untrained and poor disciplined hillbillies maybe is another reason many felt we were just that dumb. After all if you were not smart enough to avoid the draft maybe you deserved to get spit on when you came home.
Bryce None of them ever deserved that treatment...... my father was always so livid over this...and he was very qualified to speak. Yes, Run, we learn so much from men who take the time to share with us all.
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Re: Cigarette smell and distance...
[Re: white17]
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Baloney !
If they were in tune with their surroundings so were we. We slept on the ground in the jungle or a small clearing every night for months. No bathing for months. No hot water except what you could heat in your helmet.
Consider what a lot of Vietnamese eat. Fish, rice, some sort of meat paste that's unidentifiable to the naked eye smeared with nuoc mam.....a fermented fish sauce. You think you couldn't smell that in the humid darkness ?
As far as the NVA being "rural hill people" nothing could be further from the truth. They were mainly from urban and agricultural areas of North Vietnam. The VC were mostly from ag villages in S Vietnam. The only "hill people" were the Montagnards and they were on OUR side. Completely different from the S Vietnamese. A different ethnic group with a different culture and appearance. They were loyal, tough, and kept themselves as clean as conditions would allow. Cleaner than most of us for sure. I very whelk could've got my "facts" wrong. Many of these stories came from the Hmong and I could've easily confused the story forVC.
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Re: Cigarette smell and distance...
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08/17/19 12:33 PM
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White17, did you ever hear what happened to the Montagnards after the war. I was wondering if they were persecuted or just left alone? All I know for sure is that we hung them out to dry like we have done other times in the past, We had an agreement with those who fought on our side. They were promised transport to the US after the war. As far as i know we never completely followed through on our part of the deal. WE used /trained about 40,000 of them. Eventually there were only about 2000 brought to North Carolina...probably because of Fort Bragg being there. I can't imagine they were treated well by the NVA after the war ended. Or for that matter by the south Vietnamese . They hated them too. Some fled to Cambodia & Laos after the north's take over
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Re: Cigarette smell and distance...
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As a reformed smoker I can detect cigarette smoke from a long way off. Nasty addiction, wish that I had never smoked. Thank God my kids don't. That VAPE stuff is a bunch of crap. The doctor my wife works for,her husband is a pulmonary cardiologist. He said that Vape crap is not good as your lungs recognize it as a foreign substance and is not a safe alternative.
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Re: Cigarette smell and distance...
[Re: white17]
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White17, did you ever hear what happened to the Montagnards after the war. I was wondering if they were persecuted or just left alone? All I know for sure is that we hung them out to dry like we have done other times in the past, We had an agreement with those who fought on our side. They were promised transport to the US after the war. As far as i know we never completely followed through on our part of the deal. WE used /trained about 40,000 of them. Eventually there were only about 2000 brought to North Carolina...probably because of Fort Bragg being there. I can't imagine they were treated well by the NVA after the war ended. Or for that matter by the south Vietnamese . They hated them too. Some fled to Cambodia & Laos after the north's take over I was not there, but I have read the Montagnards were a primitive, loyal, and tough as nails people. Troops that worked with them often grew attached to them, I guess.
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