Voting for a liberal is never a good idea!

Chris

Just wait until there dog and can become sick from letting wild go unchecked. What B.S.

These people could care less about wildlife management or control.Its all about control of us,they took it away from the common citizen and that's good enough for them.Diseased coons and coyotes,mountain lions everywhere,they don't care.If you think there's going to a turn around in thought and policy you're blowing smoke.

Exactly ^^

Their streets are filled with dead, dying and sick people. Animals overrunning their cities will make no difference. All that matters to them is there is no trapping any more.

Look, myself included we can all whine and moan about CA or we can heed Muskrat's post advice. What can we do or are we doing to be proactive about ensuring our RIGHTS are forever maintained. Personally I am not shy about telling people i trap. I have brought in traps to work to show people who are on the fence. They like the toothless, offset jaws and shock springs and multiple swivels. One of my coworkers, a young lady even commented, "oh so it just holds the coyotes in place. Cool.". Small potatoes but that was one person who is now okay with trapping who was literally on the fence before.

Dirty, personally I would not be I favor of giving up a check law. Give an inch they take a mile. Pretty soon Oregon will be like CA. And that will then trickle over to other states

I didn't realize we were whining and moaning, thought it was a conversation. So, what ideas do you and Muskrat have that the trappers in the other 49 can do to stop things in Cali?

Not to detract from the OP's subject here, but the San Francisco City Counsel has labeled the NRA as a terrorist organization......as well.

I don't know what thread you're following but I didn't see any whining or moaning going on here.I did read people commenting about it.Having said that what Muskrat said is dead nuts on,the only problem is we're talking to the choir,whether its trapping or hunting there seems to be a substantial amount of individuals who absolutely refuse to do anything to preserve this industry.Before I let them go I belonged to numerous outfits on Facebook(trapping)and the excuses were appalling.They can't do it in my state,nobody can tell me what to do,etc.On one when I mentioned BMP's I was about run off the page,being called a Hillary supporter,Soyboy,etc.What happened in California shouldn't have been a wake up call,we've had numerous other wake up calls.We all need to be as hardcore about our preserving as much as we care about our equipment and actual trapping.

This is your first post on this thread. So are you just trolling or are you willing to contribute to what should be a discussion of people who are all on the same side. I think we all need to stick together not fight one another. It's pretty clear if you read Muskrat's comments and my comment (if you read it) what ideas we have to help fight the anti mentality. I have volunteered to help set up trapping and dog release demos at dog hunt tests, especially since I both bird hunt and trap. As for what we can do to stop things in Cali? I'm not exactly sure Catch. I wish I had an answer to that and I don't. That state is going in a downward spiral. I'm open to ideas for us to all come together and try to stop the anti trapping mentality there though. Like I said. It will trickle over to other states if we aren't careful

I don't troll Eric, I just noticed ( and I'm not the only one) that saying things like whining and moaning do the exact opposite of uniting. And yes of course I read your post lol. I agree that we need to be united and do what we can in our own States and maybe some around us. I bet most on here do in one way or another. As far as Cali, to me anyway she is lost and this Ohio boy ain't wasting my time with that mess.

If Commiefornia keeps going the way it is I forsee a big Plague epidemic coming that might wipe out 1/3 or more of it's population! The worst thing about Commiefornia is that they leave it to spread their sickness around the other states, Colorado and Montana, Oregon and Washington are prime examples of their illness taking hold of what was great states!

Yeah you are probably right. My post of saying we are whining and moaning (myself definitely included in that like I said originally), is probably doing the opposite of uniting. Some of what I'm reading is definitely "whining and moaning" though. Or who knows, maybe it's not. Hard to tell in writing when you don't have the voice inflection of people actually talking in front of you. It's possible I'm wrong. I've been wrong once before. In any case it's like you said, my nitpicking on that aspect of it isn't doing any of us any favors. But in my opinion not wasting your time on one state is a recipe for disaster. Like I said. I'm from Oregon, live in Idaho now. I am one of the first ones to think California is ridiculous in the laws they create and their overall mentality. But it's hard for me to justify turning my back on any trapper or trappers, no matter where they live.

I realize it's hard, I feel for those trappers out there. Hopefully the ones that live close to other States, and can afford it can trap elsewhere. No one has given any ideas on what we can do out there, imo because there are none. It stinks on ice but sometimes you need to cut bait, for me personally, it's time.

I can understand that. Trust me, I want to cut bait on that state. Most of that state is hopeless. Sure there's a few good people there. I just think with regards to trapping and hunting. When one state bans it, it never bodes well for other states. Maybe I'm overly sensitive being from a state where an influx of Cali types have moved to and living in another state that is dealing with the same issue.

I don't think at all that you're over sensitive, that's reality, it's what is happening. I personally think we need some kind of game plan to stop the infection in the other States that hasn't taken full root yet, if that makes sense.

Makes total sense to me. That's an infection that needs to be stopped for sure. And honestly I don't know how to stop it spreading. Californians tend to move places and take their ideals with them. Just the reality of it.

Maybe it is not really about banning all trapping but about adding more regulations to get more marks on people's records that would own guns. Catch a person speeding down a highway and they have a prior offence of say catching Coyotes and selling their pelts might make it easier to get a search warrant.

I currently live in the wonderful state of Second California otherwise known as Washington. Cage only no gripping traps for animals. Not even moles technically. So California is actually less liberal than us in that light. That is dandy to know. I am moving in the next few weeks to Wyoming but there is a travesty going on the west coast here. Oregon folks need to continue to fight hard for what rights you got as your Governor will likely take them the first chance you give her.

Yes, our trapping laws in oregon are very nice compared to many other states in the union. However you are right our governor is trying to mimic cali to the letter -- she needs to go.