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Re: Will you give up your steak ? [Re: maintenanceguy] #6610524
09/05/19 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by maintenanceguy
I thought we had moved on from cow farts. First it was fossil fuels, then cow farts. I though it was now caused by too many people and we had to start reducing the population. I can't keep up.


Maybe it's everything all at once

Re: Will you give up your steak ? [Re: white17] #6610641
09/06/19 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by white17
" From my cold dead teeth" !!!

This


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Re: Will you give up your steak ? [Re: AntiGov] #6610650
09/06/19 08:55 AM
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I still find it hard to believe that cow farts are the leading cause of global warming. I don't buy it. There was dinosaur farts for millions of years before domestic cattle. Even think of the huge buffalo herds from 200 years ago and the amount of farting a herd that size did. I bet you could smell the buffalo farts from 10 miles away. Will I give up my steak? NO SIR!


I have nothing clever to put here.





Re: Will you give up your steak ? [Re: AntiGov] #6610668
09/06/19 09:34 AM
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NO!


Genesis 9:3


Let's go Brandon!
Re: Will you give up your steak ? [Re: AntiGov] #6610679
09/06/19 09:53 AM
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no need to give up steak , we can have both better environment and good steak.

but even the "environmentalists" on the left are pushing the wrong thing , Ethanol is not good for the environment or green house gasses but they keep pushing it.

if we operated the cars on CNG rather than using the Natural gas to make the ethanol we would free up millions of acres to graze cattle on we could drive cars that lasted longer and eat great steak at the same time.


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: Will you give up your steak ? [Re: AntiGov] #6610741
09/06/19 12:43 PM
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will i give up my steak

no

next question


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Re: Will you give up your steak ? [Re: AntiGov] #6610834
09/06/19 03:35 PM
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My question is this....Who in the heck is advising these candidates to take these whacky positions? Do they really think you can win in 2020 with these stances. Trump has some vulnerabilities going into 2020, for sure, but in a country of 330 million folks, the freak show that the Dems have assembled is mind boggling.

Re: Will you give up your steak ? [Re: AntiGov] #6610916
09/06/19 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by AntiGov
Scientists say a shift away from eating meat toward plant-based diets could yield big dividends in the fight against climate change. Reduced meat consumption means lower emissions from livestock and the fertilizer needed to sustain them but also provides an opportunity to reforest land that farmers would have otherwise used for grazing. Rethinking the human diet across the globe could drive emissions reductions of up to 8 gigatonnes annually, according to the report, greater than an entire year of emissions in the U.S.

What a giant crock of ......suprised anyone would take this seriously

Re: Will you give up your steak ? [Re: AntiGov] #6610961
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Re: Will you give up your steak ? [Re: AntiGov] #6610984
09/06/19 08:25 PM
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A Big NO here!

Re: Will you give up your steak ? [Re: ratbrain] #6611086
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The link below shows that roughly a few decades ago the percentage of forest area in the world was just shy of 32% and recently it is down about 1%

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/AG.LND.FRST.ZS

With 70% of the world ocean that means that about 9% of the world is forested and is now down to about 8.3-8.5%. That is millions of acres for sure but not a huge decrease and many acres of the land surface that are farmed never was forested in recent times. So regaining forest land to off set issues is a slow and very long term process. Livestock agriculture has its own cycle of using and returning nutrients back into the system. Sure there are holes or weak spots in that process but that is what research and study is all about to help change those weaknesses. There are also holes in a total plant cycle as well when we draw off nutrients. One of the big concerns about nutrient cycles is that many commodities, nutrients, food, feed, fiber etc. are transported from regions of production to regions of usage and many are then disposed of in higher concentrations near the usage centers instead of the production centers and that can have significant impact on how the natural process works or functions.
in the USA with 9 million dairy cows we produce about 2,600 lbs. of dried milk equivalent from each cow. The cow weighs 1300 lbs. so we get 2lbs. of milk equivalent per lbs. of cow. The cow eats 7 tons of dry feed per year to produce 1.3 tons of human and animal feed. Over 60% of the dry matter, maybe 75% of the dry matter cows eat is good feed but not good food for humans in the state we can use. Thus cows are pretty good converters of non human food to human food, plus we get a calf every 12-15 months and about 53% of the dry feed is returned to the production site for nutrient usage.
Both sides seem to have very, simple and tightly held views on how to solve very, very complex systems that are more likely to be herded and managed within a very grey area of the world's life cycles. There are other forms of livestock even more efficient than dairy cows in converting feed to human food , but most of those have rations and diets that are based on foods humans can utilize.

Bryce

Re: Will you give up your steak ? [Re: AntiGov] #6611126
09/07/19 12:36 AM
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70.8% of the earth's surface is covered by water.

29.2% of the earth's surface is land.

31% of the land is covered in forest.

In the pre-industrial era there was 5.9 billion hectares of forest. There is now a little over 4 billion hectares of original forest. So in 259 years, we have only lost a little over 31% of the earth's forests. Many trees have been planted where no trees previously grew, so there has actually been very little reduction in the total number of trees since the Industrial age started in 1760.

http://www.earth-policy.org/indicators/C56/

But oh no the sky is falling. Hopefully it will only fall on those who believe in the BS.

Keith




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