Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease
[Re: lumberjack391]
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Paid bird hunting killed traditional hunting in SD years ago, many of the best deer areas are now (big bucks) hunts only.
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Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease
[Re: GritGuy]
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Why is it absurd for deer hunters to pay for a lease, when you state your self you would do the same for trapping right's ?
People own the ground and wish to make money off it, whether its cattle, agriculture or hunting of any kind, and they are the bad people for doing so. What people used to walk all over without a care in the world, knowing all the time who owned it but never asking or giving back.
Always irks me when people get upset they can't just go all over others ground any more, cause they choose to support them selves off it in a way the free loaders don't like.
It's not to late to gather up some friends and do the same as the deer hunters do before more ground is gone ! Lets be real Grit, not everyone that enjoys hunting, trapping and fishing can afford to go buy their own piece. If they've hunted a piece for years and even helped the landowner with doing things around the farm to help out it sucks to lose this ground. They are not faulting the way things are going but they have every right to be bummed about it. I am fortunate to have access to 280 acres that buts up to my 1 acre cabin property. I have hunted and trapped it for years, I have told the landowner if they ever decide to lease to please contact me first. Of course they have every right not to go that route. If they do I guess I shouldn't be bummed and down about it?
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Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease
[Re: lumberjack391]
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A guy can do a lot more then just pay to hunt/trap in many places like helping out around the places is a good way. I give out eggs to my landowners and help out with planting/harvest even if it's just driving a truck for a few days. I ADC trap for free when needed a lot of guy won't trap in the off season without getting paid so maybe they should pay when the fun stuff comes around.
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Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease
[Re: lumberjack391]
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09/10/19 05:25 PM
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bass10, I bet you would be surprised at just how many people go in on some of them leases to hunt on and they take turns going each year.
Don't give me that excuse, if anyone wants something bad enough they save or find away to attain it !
Not all leases are a fortune either, but take a monarch off it then your going to lose it after that knowledge gets around from people offering over ya for a chance at another. Nature of the beast to always want what others get, the cheaper they can do so the better, thats why you usually never hear of what they pay for a lease, they don't want to lose the ground any more than any one else does !
Sorry if my opinions or replies offend you, they are not meant to !
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Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease
[Re: danny clifton]
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grit guy I agree. private property is private. raise the per head rate of cattle on blm to the same per head rate paid for pasture in the flint hills. cut off access to anybody the rancher doesn't give permission to. then cut off all the ag subsidies. all of them. including the extra tax breaks. then let the chips fall where they will My thoughts also.
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Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease
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A guy can do a lot more then just pay to hunt/trap in many places like helping out around the places is a good way. I give out eggs to my landowners and help out with planting/harvest even if it's just driving a truck for a few days. I ADC trap for free when needed a lot of guy won't trap in the off season without getting paid so maybe they should pay when the fun stuff comes around. I'm on call all year round for beaver issues, that goes a long way. Trapped skunks and coons a few times during the summer also
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Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease
[Re: lumberjack391]
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Agricultural land leased for hunting should no longer qualify for agricultural tax breaks when it comes to property tax, it should be taxed as recreational land.
As far as losing trapping spots to deer leases, just start predator trapping and charge for it.
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Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease
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Lumberjack, most of the farms I trap are leased to deer hunters. You like water trapping. What got me in the door was doing nuisance beaver in the summer. I never charged the farmers and have more places to trap than I can get to. Deer hunters are a dime a dozen but good beaver trappers are rare. Note: Make sure the farmer or farm workers SEE every beaver you catch. That's exactly how I obtained some nice trapping AND deer hunting properties.
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Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease
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Agricultural land leased for hunting should no longer qualify for agricultural tax breaks when it comes to property tax, it should be taxed as recreational land.
As far as losing trapping spots to deer leases, just start predator trapping and charge for it. That leasing land to hunters comes with a whole different set of problems.here in NY,if you let someone on your property for recreational purposes,and DONT charge them,you are immune from being sued if someone gets hurt recreating.But if you do charge, then you best hope no one gets hurt or kilt.
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Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease
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Agricultural land leased for hunting should no longer qualify for agricultural tax breaks when it comes to property tax, it should be taxed as recreational land.
As far as losing trapping spots to deer leases, just start predator trapping and charge for it. And make sure they have a guiding/outfitter license too!
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Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease
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grit guy I agree. private property is private. raise the per head rate of cattle on blm to the same per head rate paid for pasture in the flint hills. cut off access to anybody the rancher doesn't give permission to. then cut off all the ag subsidies. all of them. including the extra tax breaks. then let the chips fall where they will My thoughts also. Mine too!
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Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease
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antler worship is not doing anybody any good
antler worshippers should just get together once a year in san Francisco, unzip their flys and let Richard simmons measure. then they could go home secure in the knowledge of who is biggest and who got in the johnny Johnson book, and go back to being deer hunters.
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Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease
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Danny, what makes you think every lease is bought out by Antler hunters ? Your beginning to sound like all of that fake news out there lately, just cause it does not fit your opinions !
Yea there are leases bought up for that, and they are the more expensive ones and larger piece's of ground, however there are quite a lot of hunters who do band together just to hunt without having to have jack wad general hunters run rough shod all over the country just cause they are used to doing so !
Some just cannot get it into their heads that there are all kinds of hunters who enjoy the outdoors, and just because some don't fit other's ideas of hunting does not make them any less important to enjoy the activity.
I used to be so against long range shooters calling them selves hunters, due to not doing any of the regular work of close in hunters, but then understood that nothing would ever convince them they are not a "regular" hunter just cause they will shoot a half a mile or more at game. Just like I would shoot 400 yds at a standing coyote.
So I just put up with their egos and let them rant, kinda like here on certain subjects, it makes no sense to really try to have people understand that owners can do what they want with their property, some feel they have an inherent right to march all over it, no matter of reason from the owner, just because they have done so without notice for years, like thats a rule in the books after so long doing so LOL
Sorry if my opinions or replies offend you, they are not meant to !
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Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease
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here in ks its antler hunters
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease
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Danny, what makes you think every lease is bought out by Antler hunters ? Your beginning to sound like all of that fake news out there lately, just cause it does not fit your opinions !
Yea there are leases bought up for that, and they are the more expensive ones and larger piece's of ground, however there are quite a lot of hunters who do band together just to hunt without having to have jack wad general hunters run rough shod all over the country just cause they are used to doing so !
Some just cannot get it into their heads that there are all kinds of hunters who enjoy the outdoors, and just because some don't fit other's ideas of hunting does not make them any less important to enjoy the activity.
I used to be so against long range shooters calling them selves hunters, due to not doing any of the regular work of close in hunters, but then understood that nothing would ever convince them they are not a "regular" hunter just cause they will shoot a half a mile or more at game. Just like I would shoot 400 yds at a standing coyote.
So I just put up with their egos and let them rant, kinda like here on certain subjects, it makes no sense to really try to have people understand that owners can do what they want with their property, some feel they have an inherent right to march all over it, no matter of reason from the owner, just because they have done so without notice for years, like thats a rule in the books after so long doing so LOL Danny, what makes you think every lease is bought out by Antler hunters ? Your beginning to sound like all of that fake news out there lately, just cause it does not fit your opinions !
Yea there are leases bought up for that, and they are the more expensive ones and larger piece's of ground, however there are quite a lot of hunters who do band together just to hunt without having to have jack wad general hunters run rough shod all over the country just cause they are used to doing so !
Some just cannot get it into their heads that there are all kinds of hunters who enjoy the outdoors, and just because some don't fit other's ideas of hunting does not make them any less important to enjoy the activity.
I used to be so against long range shooters calling them selves hunters, due to not doing any of the regular work of close in hunters, but then understood that nothing would ever convince them they are not a "regular" hunter just cause they will shoot a half a mile or more at game. Just like I would shoot 400 yds at a standing coyote.
So I just put up with their egos and let them rant, kinda like here on certain subjects, it makes no sense to really try to have people understand that owners can do what they want with their property, some feel they have an inherent right to march all over it, no matter of reason from the owner, just because they have done so without notice for years, like thats a rule in the books after so long doing so LOL Can you supply the post where someone, anyone said that they don’t think landowners should be able to do what they want with their property? Why turn this into something that fits your thoughts with made up BS? A guy has every right to be bummed out over losing ground he’s hunted for years as you have every right to think he should be ok with it!
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Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease
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Paid bird hunting killed traditional hunting in SD years ago, many of the best deer areas are now (big bucks) hunts only. Leasing has pretty much ruined good snow goose hunting here. Everyone seems to want to have everything to themselves. Then again, trappers want big catches filling the truck bed, deer hunters want a buck with big antlers, pheasant hunters want a good tailgate photo.
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Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease
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If I want to bowl a 300 game am I to be chastised by the people that just want to bowl for fun? If I like the challenge of mature 5 plus year old bucks I guess I have to go to San Francisco and compare my junk? Nobody is knocking your passion why knock theirs?
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