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I got 6 doz eggs rotting down for a couple weeks now and I got a dilemma. If there are a couple dead maggots in my rotting eggs will that mess it up? .....I did the cheese cloth and lid thing (which I won’t do again) and evidently some of the flies had kids and a couple of those little pecker woods got in there and drowned or puked to death. If it’s no good it’s going for a ride tomm. I’m not sure what it should smell like but this smells pretty bad.

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freeze the mess asap for a few days
then epoxy an aquarium airstone for 1 way venting
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I wouldn't mess with cheese cloth or any high class venting system for a small batch like that, I'd just crack the lid once and a while. It will smell like money when they are done. Let it thicken up and see what happens. I'd also start a new batch just in case it's a fail.


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There is a vast difference between aging eggs in a controlled environment and letting them break down into a putrid state in the sun for example. Do it right or get lucky the eggs may culture / thicken to a mellow mild egg odor with a yellow > tan color.

Freezing will kill the active maggots that is true. However if the batch is rotting it wont matter much if there are maggots in the material. You can finish the process that you have in mind and if it is in a liquid state you can strain the liquid thru an old window screen and strain out the remaining maggots. It is difficult to give a solution without actually seeing the material and its point of age.

If they are rotting down they will break down into a more liquid state with a dark grey to black color and stink quite harshly. If it turns out to be rotten eggs, it can be used for an LDC ingredient or as a call station material that can be used at various places of your choice on your line. Use in a hole or elevated in a container with some holes in it.

Rotten eggs are quite strong and have a very permeating distinct odor.

Blow flies rarely bother our culturing eggs as this aging odor doesn't quite represent a good egg depositing media and we do it indoors. Small drain and fruit flies if local will attempt to lay egg deposits as the cultured egg is a good musky media fit for their reproductive needs.

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I may just take an oz or 2 and dump it down a hole a put a cam on it to see what happens. I will probably just use it to spice up bait stations over the winter. I know if I put it out in the yard the dog would roll in it which I’ve been thinking about trying but I’m sure the wife would shoot me.

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Would aging a new batch in a root cellar change the outcome?

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When I made my batch of cultured eggs I used a large plastic container and stretched T-shirt material over the mouth and used rubber bands to hold it in place. Then screwed the lid on about one turn. They are currently a yellow mustard like consistency with a mild smell to them. I'm going to blend some egg and BTO together and see what sort of reaction I get.


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Originally Posted by Cope23
Would aging a new batch in a root cellar change the outcome?



You don't need to "age" them in a root cellar to achieve what you're trying to do.Plenty of people out there making them without one. JMO, you need to keep an eye on the batch so if it starts to go sideways you can correct it sooner rather than later.


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does it make a difference if you stir/scramble the eggs before setting them out or should they just be left alone as the come out of the shell?...I stirred mine

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JMO, everyone has their own way looking for the same end results. There is no "oneway" or sop on how to do this. If you want to get better at identifying the stages, using a glass jar will give you a better look at the changes "layers" from top to bottom and you'll be able to tell when the batch has turned. My kids make them and during the process they stir them once sometimes twice a week. They make it in gallon jars with no venting system, they crack the lid periodically and leave the lid cracked a hair. The end result is the famous "mayo" spread you continuously read about and the odor isn't what many think it is. The mellow odor is deceiving, it's an attractive ingredient.


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That’s pretty much how I did this. Maybe I don’t have an issue then other then a couple baby brown dead maggots floating around. Ideas I will find out. They have only been in the jar for about a month.

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Made some from turkey eggs in the past , a large batch , I put it in a out building in the dark with the lid just crack and did nothing else to it and it came out like yellow mayo . like TDHP stated and also for the odor is.


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Nothing wrong with running two batches side by side while stirring one periodically and letting one sit for the duration. Look for the pros and cons to each batch and note them. There are things you can add that will expedite the process as well. You'll find a way that works for you I'm sure of it.


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I just strained the maggots out of it. It’s like water and has the foulest smell like sewage but worse. I’m thinking I’m going to vent it and go hide it in a brush pile till winter cold sets in. Then I’m going to wait for snow to fly and empty it on a bait station to see how many animals come to play in it. It smells nothing like any lure or bait I ever smelled. To my dachshund it smells delish so it’s goin to a attract something. I couldn’t be a lure maker. I’m content just ordering my stuff.

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It sounds like the eggs have rotted down as I suspected from your initial post. We just started a cultured batch on Sept. 20th (12 buckets) 3420 eggs > 285 doz.. The batch will be done on the Sept. 30th or Oct. 1st. I will post some photos when done. I documented each day that they were working into the culture.

Spoiled eggs will be very watery and smell quite putrid. I would use them for a draw station as you have in mind as they will put out significant odor for some time depending upon the volume used and what they are applied to.. I would buy cheap rolled oats and saturate it with the juice. This will help hold the odor much longer. Put it into a deep narrow hole or place it high in a container for slow release.

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Hey Bob thanks for your knowledge and input, that's a great idea!! What are rolled oats, Quaker Oats?

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i just read back through the post and i think im putting 2 and 2 together....now its just a matter of principal, im going tomm for more eggs....told my wife that and she just rolls her eyes

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my first batch of eggs ever was a flop the rooster had already fertilized the eggs I contribute the blood spots to the failure. Although those rotten eggs still have quit a drawing power if you use them accordingly. Like bob mentioned deep or high or flat use them as a rub lure! Yotes and foxs rub a lot more then most think.


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Rolled oats come in several names. Quaker oats is a recognized name brand. Might as well pick up some generic powdered instant potato's to help to make it a paste if you prefer to do that.

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Seems like a lot of work rotting down those eggs. I have 3 bottles of SFE so I'm good to go. I use to have the formula but I lost It .


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Synthetic SFE and organic rotten eggs have no comparison in odor or chemical make up. Synthetic SFE is some harsh and caustic material and should be used with care and potential exposure health risk awareness. I rarely use it and stopped selling it due to these concerns. Use it with care Beav.

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I had the formula and I took It to my neighbor who was a chemistry professor he told me the same thing.


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Originally Posted by The Beav
Seems like a lot of work rotting down those eggs. I have 3 bottles of SFE so I'm good to go. I use to have the formula but I lost It .


I think that’s my problem....I confused rotting down eggs with culturing eggs....I want the creamy sweet smelling stuff not the sewage smelling stuff but the more info I gain I’m realizing there may be some good value in this messed up batch I have going. I just got 2 pints jars filled with fresh eggs today. Im gunna try a redo.

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Some of the stuff I have been tinkering with is going to go out this week with cams over it. Should be able to tell in the next couple weeks what has value and what don’t.

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Just a small snapshot in time of a lure makers many seasonal routine chores. First day of new egg culture batch started on 9/20 in the first photo, and now into day 10. 24-48 hours will be about time things are finishing up.

Just a few photos to show the advancement of the culturing process over the 12 days.

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Near the end as the culture accelerates it looks a lot like the texture of yellow cake batter just before you pour it into the baking pan.

You have to keep an eye on large batches like this as the culture grows rapidly in just a few hours once you have reached day 7 thru 10. Even starting with a 2/3 full bucket initially it is not enough allowed expansion room at times. Always keep an over flow bucket or container handy to dip or pour off the over flow that is going to develop.

I will get 1-2 buckets additional culture from the 12 buckets due to the developing growth excess in the other collective buckets.


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Hey thanks Bob for taking the time to do that. This next batch im making hopefully will be closer to what you have going.

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Do u stir it Bob? And if you do how often?

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Do you put sodium benzoate in with the eggs to stop them ? I’ve only ever cultured eggs in mason jars then added the rest of the ingredients and stopped the process with sodium benzoate. Just curious how much sodium benzoate goes into such a large batch.

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Dipped off 1-1/2 more buckets over night to relieve the eminent over flowing expansion of the egg culture. Glad I did it when I did as several buckets were pushing up the lids on some buckets at 5 am this morning.

Stirring with a stir stick relieves the trapped gas in the batches which in turn buys you some time which drops the overall volume within the buckets for a brief period. This gives you a small window to dip out the excess before a bad accident will happen.

The egg culture kind of resembles molten yellow rock like you seen bubbling at Yellowstone when visiting the geyser's as the gas bubbles break the surface of the culture when stirring.

A footnote of observation: One bucket of culture that was grey in color is way behind the other buckets that were white and transparent in color. Had that happen previously as well in other batches in years past. Can't explain it exactly but I have some ideas as to why this occurs.

May be something different about the chemical composition of the plastic color, its lack of light absorption or its insulating properties where it contacts the concrete floor or insulating properties reducing the ambient room temperature absorption comparing to the other plastics seems to affect the eggs quite differently. NO more colored buckets in the future for culturing obviously.

Possibly a combination of these factors collectively. It is many days behind the rest of the batch at this point of finishing up. The things that you observe that make you wonder why?

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thank you bob for sharing I have ruined one batch and about to start a new one. I didn't throw it away as im still going to experiment with it. it has a rotten odor but not as bad as I thought It was gonna be.

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I just checked and I got one yolk turning that creamy yellow cake batter color. Im just doing 2 pints this time so I can watch whats going on better and this time there in more of a controlled area.

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I started my new batch last night. heres to hoping it turns out right this time.

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im watching this batch and the creamy egg yolked popped today so im expecting more things to happen, who would of guessed letting eggs go bad would have became a science....wife didn't start complaining yet so I know im not rotting them yet, when she starts that's when I guess its time to add some sodium benzoate laugh

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The egg culture batch is completed. The grey bucket has caught up with the other bucket batches as of today.

The curd is aging quickly now and it should firm up and begin to set considerably over night. Below are the Cultured batches and how they look when they have matured.

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them look awesome bob lots of babysitting time involved! My first 4 gallons turned out great I just let them keep aging. Till they turned a grayish green then I poured the fish oil to them and made a amazing bait solution. Couple of quarts to 6 cubed up ground hogs made a nice effective bait.


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Thanks for the walk thru, Bob. I sure learned something new.

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yes thank you very much...very helpful, thanks

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Yep Bob, you were right. The smell I was looking for is the one I got now. These are culturing nicely and have a more pleasant sweet odor, not even comparable to my other eggs and im pretty sure I know what I did wrong the first time...both batches will get trialed in another month...Thank you and everyone else for direction.

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You can tell when your culture has matured. It will begin to dry a bit with some splitting and cracking a bit on the top of the culture. Kind of looks like a round loaf of bread dough that is rising and breaks open on top to relieve the stress in the dough. Just a good comparison.

The culture will begin to turn a bit orange/light tan colored on top once it has maxed out. This indicates the peak of maturity and its time to do what you do with them or they will continue to change physically and grow in odor strength over the weeks and months to come. Room temperature or storage conditions will dictate what happens to the culture and how quickly they continue to advance in aging.

Everyone may have their own desired result as to the products final odor and strength. I have determined over the years where I like ours to be to best fit our formulas. Egg culture has many uses and has a wide attraction to all furbearers in this cultured state just as a stand alone. A valuable ingredient or base material for most any batch of lure or bait.

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This stuff is shaping up pretty nice smell wise, its not really mayonaisey yet but its working along nicely..just not sure what Im going to do with it to stabilize it, prolly add it to some ground deer and and add sodium benzoate to it... personally, I think it smells like a strong sweet crab meat

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I may have missed it but do you just crack the eggs into a jar or do you mix them too?


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scramble them although I just crack into jar and shake the heck outta it. burp jar everyday so I don't explode.

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im sure you could let the shells in as its brewing....I didn't...cracked the eggs like I was making a batch of scrambled eggs...the last couple days the smell is really intensifying....its not getting the consistency Im looking for but the smell is there...I may just use this as a bait solution along with a couple other ingredients, at least the one jar....the other jar im letting go

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these still smell really appealing, just not sure when they are going to get the consistency im looking for, im thinking I may have to add something to get them thicker

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Good egg culturing takes some good luck with the conditions and containers being used or experience with doing it right every time. Don't give up you will get it down with some time and practice.

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My second batch as well is not the consistency I was hoping for the smell is right just not the texture.

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My second batch as well is not the consistency I was hoping for the smell is right just not the texture.

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honestly, im not sure why im looking for the mayo consistency, probably because that's what I expect it to look like from what I hear from others. That being said, the smell is definatly good enough to add to some ground meat, some castor and glands and have a nice attractive bait. What I have wouldn't make a good base for a bait but I think it would make a decent lure or additive for bait or lure. Im just happy its not like the first batch I made.

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you keep working on the eggs you will get it .
It is not very difficult once you pin the process down . Good Luck .


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so im 25 days into the second batch and its done gassing off still real runny consistency though but I feel like the smell is what ya'll have been describing im gonna take some fresh road killed deer and grind it up and add some of the eggs as a side ingredient then preserve fresh. may take and make a few pints of this deer base and eggs and experiment with some caster maybe one with some frog juice added in.

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I'm trying a tiny batch I cracked 6 eggs in a quart jar I used our immersion wand blender to mix them up. Started them the 22 of Oct been venting them off each day and giving it a shake. I've been giving them a sniff these last couple of days and to my nose kind of a rich hard boiled egg smell. Plus they get a little custard like top each day. I'm storing mine in basement
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mine are still not thick but I don't mix mine, just shake it... but its not the sewage smell which is good, I have enough of that in another jar...the color is starting to turn blueish green and now I know its past what I want it to be so im just gunna use it as a bait solution and start a new batch, this time im goin to try something different....this is fun,..im also gunna try something else. funny think is no matter what it turns out like, eggs are cheap and the critters seem to like it any way it smells....

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Actually these went beyond what I was looking for in smell, but they still are going to be a bait solution and don't smell rotten....the next batch is going to be worked when I get the smell I desire, I think when the smell is right I can turn it into mayo

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I started 2 quarts and they are comming along great. How much sodium benz, if any,. should I add at the end if I'm not using any time soon? Thanks


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I haven't added any and they seem to be just fine without it.

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Well the 2 quarts are 13 days into it and are more like an egg snog consistency than mayo or cake batter. The smell is of strong egg with a slight sour type smell to me. Not bad, just a slight sour smell. It doesn't stink or smell of rotten eggs. How many days should I go before seeing a change in consistency or should I start a new batch and use this as is? I've had it on the counter. average about 65-70 degrees.

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mine are still that egg nog consistency I believe there is a trick that is keeping us from getting that creamy mayo consistency like the pros get. trial and error and I will get the consistency down to that nice mayo consistency

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What about adding something like xanthan gum to thicken it? Corn starch has to be heated, but I think xanthan will work at room temp.

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I used egg yolks from hard boiled eggs to thicken mine. Also one of the ingredients added to the bait I make out of thickens up when it gets cool.

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I still didn’t figure it out but I will. Definitely interesting and fun. All my fails still produced useable products though. One is turned into a bait solution that is goin to be for the winter. Another is goin to be used as a call station, just to see what it pulls in. One of them smells like a critter will definitely want to eat it and the other smells like they will roll on it. Winter and trail cams will tell. I know the smell and the consistency I’m looking for now. Thanks again BoB

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Did you do anything to stop them at their current stage? Benzoate?


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I use SB when it gets to the point I want it. I will add I've had more batches fail than turn out right and I'm not sure why but I keep trying.

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