Re: What is a "combat veteran"?
[Re: James]
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There are a lot of combat veterans that aren’t infantry I know I served alongside them in actual combat ie getting shot at shooting back ied’s rpg’s you get the idea. They came from all branches Marines of course, Navy, Air Force we had them as dog handlers inbedded with us. On the Army side we had MP’s even guys from supply and the motor pool. We had doctors and nurses that never left the wire but worked on the wounded and kept the rest of us in the fight. These are combat vets. I do however believe that if anyone contributed to the fight wether it be intel or cooking for the troops or issuing supplies they would be considered combat veterans. I know there were many times I sure appreciated hearing the voice of the person in the TOC when I keyed up that radio
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Re: What is a "combat veteran"?
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I am a vet, I served from 1960-63 active and another 3 years. I put in most of my time in Germany. I have a friend that was in the Navy and served on a ship some place, but never seen the shore in Viet Nam. But was allow to going the VFW. I have always considered myself just a vet that did his time and got out. In my book, if you did not come in contact with the enemy or work in a combat zone and while working in that zone were not in any danger of life you are not a combat vet. I just did my job and don't make a fuss over it. JMO
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Re: What is a "combat veteran"?
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The term "combat veteran" is misleading the way it is used now.
I have a great deal of respect for all veterans, who served honorably. Many people only respect, or respect veterans more, who saw real, close combat with the enemy.
In today's military the most critical people in the military may never enter a combat zone.
Most of my good friends have been in the military, or are civilian employees of the Airforce. Most had or have high clearances. I get interviewed by the FBI for re-upping security clearances a lot, some years an annoyingly large numbers of times. Here's some examples of the importance of different jobs some of my friends had or have.
Two friends of mine, Bobbies and Dominique, who are brothers, were grunts in the Marines for 1 extended term. They saw real combat in the Middle East, but probably never accomplished anything significant.
Another friend of mine, Jim, who grew up with a backyard adjoining ours, spent most of his career in the Navy on a nuclear sub and was used as a deterrent to nuclear attacks. His job was undoutedbly more important to the safety of our country.
My friend Marvin was in the Army Pigeon Corp until they disbanded it in 1967. Before radio was reliable and the development of new technology, his job was critical for communications.
My friend Stan was in Special Operations in the Airforce for 20 years. I get the feeling he was in lots of places we won't know about for a while yet or maybe ever. I have no doubt he was very important to our country
My friend James, who helped me get my farm, trained pilots to fly bombers, mostly B52s during and after Vietnam. He only did one bombing mission on enemy territory, in 20 years in the Airforce. His job was likely even more important.
My friend Mike, who we are eating steak dinner with tomorrow, is contracted to protect the Airforce computers from being hacked by other nations. If our military computers are successfully hacked many of our weapons could be worthless and our enemies could get our latest, superior technology.
My friend Justin, who is a civilian, engineer employee of the Airforce is in a "think tank". I have little clue what he does, but know it's very important.
My friend Jeremy, who I was best man for, is a civilian, engineer employee of the Airforce. He spent the first 5 months or so of his employment, sitting at a desk, waiting for his clearance. He then, for several years, analyzed how enemy nations could detect our equipment that had stealth capacities. He now does something I can't know about that is critical to homeland security.
My friend Gus, who is also a civilian, engineer employee of the Airforce, tweaks the tolerances on our jet fighters to make them the best in the World. When Gus travels overseas to see his daughter in laws family, in India, 2 handlers are sent with him to keep him from being stolen by a foreign power. Gus is also considered critical to homeland security.
There is something that inspires great respect in most of us for those that go toe to toe with the enemy and deservedly so, but many of the most important people for keeping the US safe will never hopefully be near combat and the enemy.
Keith
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Re: What is a "combat veteran"?
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If you are there your a combat vet
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Re: What is a "combat veteran"?
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The link below will help explain the general definition https://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=E211US739G0&p=combat+veteran+definitionI am a combat veteran as I served in country during a war and in a forward area. This should not be confused with the term "combat infantry badge" I am not a recipient of this badge as I was not in the infantry and directly in a forward area attack, battle or skirmish. We had raids, mortar attacks etc. but we were not infantry going out to engage. Many that receive their combat infantry badge regard that higher then many other medals. Bryce X2
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Re: What is a "combat veteran"?
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I put vets into 2 categories........
Those who talk and brag about what they did. Usually the real story is nothing.
Those who don't want to, or never talk because of what they did.. It's changing Pat. I invite vets to hunt here every year at my place and in the quiet setting with other vets they often open their thoughts. For the Nam era guys it's especially tough. Around others who were also serving over there they are very straight at least as much as their minds can be clear. Back then a teen to be pulled off the farm for 8 weeks or so of basic then tossed into that ridiculous mud hole of a country to get shot at? It's a wonder any of them came back remembering what a fork and spoon were for. Great guys who've earned more than respect. Osky
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Re: What is a "combat veteran"?
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There are a great number of view on this subject, for me it is how the person that is a vet view themselves.
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Re: What is a "combat veteran"?
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No greater respect do I have for any individual than someone who would put themselves in such danger, physically and mentally, so that others might sleep safely at night. I did not serve. This ^^^^. I cant say it better.
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Re: What is a "combat veteran"?
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I'm confused by the term "combat veteran." I used to think it meant a soldier who'd been in actual combat with a live enemy.
But when I was still in practice, I saw a resume from a woman attorney which said she was a "combat veteran." Her resume was otherwise impressive, and we hired her. Later, I learned that her combat veteran status was based on her being stationed in a designated "combat zone," and she had never actually fired a weapon at an enemy or otherwise participated in battle.
Was that woman justified in claiming "combat veteran" status, solely on the basis of where she was stationed? Or was she guilty of puffing her resume?
I don't mean to slight ANY of our veterans. My Dad is a vet. I respect and appreciate the service of them all. I'm only trying to understand the correct terminology.
Jim VA has their definition and DOD has theirs. I think individuals also have their own opinions about individual circumstances. While your colleague may have been legally correct, I personally believe it was a bit of resume enhancement. Here's a different twist on the subject that also includes claims of 'service connected injuries' when dealing with VA. Apparently it isn't as cut and dried and it would seem. https://www.hillandponton.com/combat-veterans-proving-combat-status-service-connection/
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Re: What is a "combat veteran"?
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Does being a " combat veteran" make you a better lawyer? I usually only mention stuff in a job interview that is pertinent to the job. I rarely tell anybody my vet status. Most people are unaware and in the " don't need to know category".
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Re: What is a "combat veteran"?
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Since the lady earned a law degree, she may have just been in the military to take advantage of the educational benefits?
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Re: What is a "combat veteran"?
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Since the lady earned a law degree, she may have just been in the military to take advantage of the educational benefits? Could be, but I just meant to show that everything's relative. Without knowing all the details it wouldn't be fair to assume the woman is somehow lesser than someone who may have actually been shot at. If the original poster misunderstood what "combat veteran" meant, that's on him not her. She used the term as defined by the Veterans Administration to accurately describe her military service to a potential employer.
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Re: What is a "combat veteran"?
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I put vets into 2 categories........
Those who talk and brag about what they did. Usually the real story is nothing.
Those who don't want to, or never talk because of what they did.. This....
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Re: What is a "combat veteran"?
[Re: James]
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Since every member of the US military is a target for terrorists (ied's, suicide bombers, kidnapping, etc.)just being in a war zone would definitely qualify as combat. That's a pretty e-z conclusion to come too....
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