Re: Social v Economic
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It is hard to separate the two as they are extremely intertwined but if I had to pick one turning point historically I would strongly consider the French revolution as well as the American revolution.
If you want to go back even further the murder of Socrates probably awakened many people to social issues.
EDIT- if we are talking strictly American I would say the Civil war.
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Re: Social v Economic
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It is hard to separate the two as they are extremely intertwined but if I had to pick one turning point historically I would strongly consider the French revolution as well as the American revolution.
If you want to go back even further the murder of Socrates probably awakened many people to social issues.
EDIT- if we are talking strictly American I would say the Civil war. Sorry....yes, I'm referring to America.
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Re: Social v Economic
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Most people only care more about social issues while the country is doing well economically.
Keith I agree but Why do you say this? Lets have a great conversation.
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Re: Social v Economic
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Most people only care more about social issues while the country is doing well economically.
Keith I agree but Why do you say this? Lets have a great conversation. The reason is that most social issues are of very trivial importance. When people are starving all of their concentration goes to finding food. When people are homeless, all their concentration goes to finding a home. When people are dying of thirst, all their concentration goes to finding something to drink. Abraham Maslow listed a hierarchy of needs for humans, that has a great deal of truth to it. I will go further and state that we as a species need to go through tough times to winnow out the poor genetics or we will weaken as a species. We need to have the drive to go after the lower needs first. We are both animal and divine. Keith
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Re: Social v Economic
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It is hard to separate the two as they are extremely intertwined but if I had to pick one turning point historically I would strongly consider the French revolution as well as the American revolution.
If you want to go back even further the murder of Socrates probably awakened many people to social issues.
EDIT- if we are talking strictly American I would say the Civil war. Sorry....yes, I'm referring to America. No need to apologize, my fault for misreading. Thinking further on this there is no doubt in my mind the defining moment when social issues started to be pushed to the forefront was suffrage. First major thing that happened after suffrage was prohibition and social issues have been central to most campaigns since then.
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Re: Social v Economic
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Not long after the great depression.And just before the second world war.
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Re: Social v Economic
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One needs to be able to see through the fog or haze all the time. Some seemingly popular social issues are simply what a certain politician, party or group feels will get them the most favor or votes at any particular time. Sometimes though real issues and problems exist. Separate the problem solvers and decent ideas by some, from those who simply take advantage of issues, with zero intention of implementing any type of solution.
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Re: Social v Economic
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I think this happened about two thousand and nineteen years ago.
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Re: Social v Economic
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Thinking further on this there is no doubt in my mind the defining moment when social issues started to be pushed to the forefront was suffrage. First major thing that happened after suffrage was prohibition and social issues have been central to most campaigns since then. Slavery was and still is a social issue. Unfortunately nobody cares about today's slavery of more people than ever existed during the western slave trade. All attention is on the old slavery.
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Re: Social v Economic
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Thinking further on this there is no doubt in my mind the defining moment when social issues started to be pushed to the forefront was suffrage. First major thing that happened after suffrage was prohibition and social issues have been central to most campaigns since then. Slavery was and still is a social issue. Unfortunately nobody cares about today's slavery of more people than ever existed during the western slave trade. All attention is on the old slavery. Freed slaves made up a tiny amount of the total voting population, women instantly were 50% of the voting bloc. I dont think pre suffrage most people were voting based on slavery but I am open to being wrong about that.
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Re: Social v Economic
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Really? The slavery issue nearly prevented the Constitution from being ratified and tore the country apart. Has nothing to do with who could or could not vote. A significant part was moral/social but I also think that it was also economic. No?
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Re: Social v Economic
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Really? The slavery issue nearly prevented the Constitution from being ratified and tore the country apart. Has nothing to do with who could or could not vote. A significant part was moral/social but I also think that it was also economic. No? That was my line of thinking as well, more economic than social.
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