Re: Why haven’t mule deer ever migrated...
[Re: Catcollector]
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11/26/19 10:43 AM
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The reason there aren't any in MN is because of reciprocity One was just shot by Wadena this past season and that is in the central part of the state.
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Re: Why haven’t mule deer ever migrated...
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11/26/19 12:03 PM
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All the theories as to North American deer origin are subject to change as new DNA evidence is discovered. But, a DNA study I read not too many years ago concluded that the blacktail deer was the original deer in on this continent. Then as the ice sheet came down from the north it resulted in the blacktails of the west coast being separated from their kin to the east which then developed into whitetail and mule deer. I don't recall how the whitetail and mule deer split, but I'm sure it addressed that subject.
Even where you find both whitetail and mule deer in the west in the same general area, they are usually divided by topography. The whitetail being found in the valley bottoms, and the mule deer in the hills.
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Re: Why haven’t mule deer ever migrated...
[Re: Osky]
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11/26/19 12:30 PM
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I sure wish they'd displace the Whitetail instead of the other way around. I think the moose and woodland caribou that were native in Minnesota until a 125 years ago or so would heartily agree 330. Osky I saw and photographed 3 caribou in MN near lake Bronson in April of 2000 so they haven't been completely gone for that long. These were more than likely out of Canada and probably didn't stick around long.
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Re: Why haven’t mule deer ever migrated...
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11/26/19 01:48 PM
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Minnesota had plenty of caribou and very few whitetail north of basically I 94. This was not bush country but big timber country and caribou ate base tree lichen and those types of foods. The many ponds and lakes held moose. It all changed with the log off by the railroad barons. The whitetail moved north with the change to bush and brought disease as well. We also had a lot of elk native to MN before the whites. The MN SCi chapter tried bringing caribou back in MN around 75. 28 head all died in short order from a disease carried by white tails. No one knew this would happen back then. MN historical society and museum has some early pictures of the prairies which are now the western suburbs of Minneapolis with large herds of elk to be seen. There were no trees to the west then, just grass except along the natural flowing waterways. Explains the great waterfowl migrations that used to be thru MN as well But now no more.
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Re: Why haven’t mule deer ever migrated...
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11/26/19 02:09 PM
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... to to the eastern United States. Another just wondering question. Then again, maybe they just don’t have the brains god gave geese? Osky
Last edited by Osky; 11/26/19 02:11 PM.
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Re: Why haven’t mule deer ever migrated...
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11/27/19 12:12 AM
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After WW1 the mule deer were shot out of Manitoba with their behaviour of looking back at the top of the hill.....anyone who served and survived WW!; knew where to shoot those 303 British guns
160user there was a movement of woodland caribou that year and it is only 100 miles from their native range THEN. They are around Black Lake Nopiming Prov. Park now 51 latitude straight north.
There is a large population in SW Manitoba now and we cant hunt them....
Last edited by Northof50; 11/27/19 12:14 AM.
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