Re: How otter are not suitcased?
[Re: MnMan]
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11/30/19 07:02 AM
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The one I caught this morning did not get it's head out. It was going downstream with swift current. I have triggers off to the side on top in an L shape to avoid some pesky muskrats from springing my traps. I still get a lot of rats with this trigger configuration and many otter are neck caught like the one I caught yesterday. Sorry, I do not have a good theory on the ones not suitcased with the head out of the jaws. HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO YOU ALL!! I had read this whole post and these 2 photos tells more of what I can explain, You look at the first photo is show the way the trap was set and how far the otter went into the trap with the trigger on the other side the otter came in , The you see in the 2nd photo for the side of the trap that the otter came in with the trigger on the same side of where the otter came in.You got the neck catch. I had a old time fur buyer and trapper taught me that on otter that you want the trigger on the side that the otter will go into not the dog side. like you seen in the first photo. I do not look for suit cased catch. I always try for neck catch. Otter will normal go up stream So I normal set the trigger on the down side of the creek or river.So when the otter swim up stream or river will get caught like in the 2nd photo. Thanks MnMan for post the photos it help me to explain what I see and was taught.
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Re: How otter are not suitcased?
[Re: Saskayote]
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11/30/19 11:04 AM
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Pulling head out? Of belisles? I don’t think it is possible. Belisles are not a run of the mill conibear. I bet when they tested these in Canada, none of the computer otters pulled their heads out.
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Re: How otter are not suitcased?
[Re: trapperman222]
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11/30/19 11:17 AM
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So otter normally go upstream? Then there should be a pile of them up at the headwaters? I want to trap there! That is the normal but some will go down stream also. but to normal get there pray going up stream is best for getting fish since that is what mainly go after, If do not think so when fish is in a stream or river what way they are facing and where are they at. on the coni traps there is a approach side of the trap and none approach side. the side that the trigger is on is the approach side.I know at times that the animal will not go on that side of it.You also get the others in your beaver set.It depends how you have your trap set. Out of all the years I trap otters I have not had one get out of a body trap. Or destroy one. I got them in 220 and 330's.
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Re: How otter are not suitcased?
[Re: mad_mike]
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11/30/19 06:58 PM
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I think a good portion of this mystery is that otters are pretty darned strong, torpedo shaped, and just plain slippery when wet. I often wondered if they bench press the jaws off of their necks. There is no doubt in my mind about the brute strength of otters. I have many bent 330 jaws to prove it. I catch a lot of otters by the midsection but not by the neck because I put the trigger all of the way to the side to reduce catching everything except beavers.
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Re: How otter are not suitcased?
[Re: drasselt]
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12/01/19 08:21 PM
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The 220 i use on otter are Victors and Bridger and as for the 330 I use Bridger and Dukes I do not get any bent ,I did nothing to them to modified them. They work ok for me .and for how I get the otters beside beaver.
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Re: How otter are not suitcased?
[Re: drasselt]
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12/01/19 08:28 PM
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220 is the best trap strictly for otter.I have killed them with 120's,160's,220's 280's330's,1's, 1 1/2's,3's, 4's, 5's and snares. Over the years I have taken 2 otter in one trap 7 times in 330's and once on a snarepole.
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Re: How otter are not suitcased?
[Re: drasselt]
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12/05/19 01:57 PM
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Supposed to be above freezing again in a couple days.
you can vote your way into socialism, but you will have to shoot your way out.
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Re: How otter are not suitcased?
[Re: white17]
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12/05/19 02:10 PM
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WOW !! I have 28 below this morning I know it's like the new Southeast Alaska here.
you can vote your way into socialism, but you will have to shoot your way out.
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Re: How otter are not suitcased?
[Re: drasselt]
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12/05/19 02:52 PM
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I've never suitcased one of these guys, always by the neck, no matter how the trigger is set up, male, female always by the neck
you can vote your way into socialism, but you will have to shoot your way out.
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Re: How otter are not suitcased?
[Re: drasselt]
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12/05/19 03:02 PM
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Same here. Never a suitcase
If any critter was going to power out of a 330 I would expect gulo to do it before an otter,,,,,,,,,,,but they rarely move more than a foot or two.
Looks like you could use a bit more snow
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