Re: Plane crash today.
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12/05/19 07:54 PM
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was visiting with a friend of mine about the crash... he observed the props still intact and attached to hub ,, possibly feathered... he thinks engine out... he said heard they took on 150 gallons fuel... im sure the investigators will find out especially if it was power failure... bad deal for sure... lots of eyes on this one as its a heck of a airplane built with power and equip for flying into known ice...
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Re: Plane crash today.
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12/05/19 09:25 PM
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I don't think I'd buy that. Just looking at the picture in the link above you can only see three blades. There are 5 on that prop. I would say they hit the ground with power on I bet there was a bulge in the floor board from the throttle being pushed on so hard (kidding). If they are anything like me they take way way to much "stuff" on a hunting trip. My uneducated guess is a combo of heavy load and ice on the wings.
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Re: Plane crash today.
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12/05/19 09:27 PM
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White, that was a heck of a load calc or performance planning post you made. Again I am impressed!
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Re: Plane crash today.
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12/05/19 09:51 PM
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LOL . It may not be anywhere near correct either. But if that second article is correct that there was possibly ice, frost and snow on the aircraft.....it wouldn't much matter how much weight he had on board. It wasn't going to fly like that. Especially if they encountered a wind shear
I would like to know......and maybe Hydropillar can find out...........was the engine found on a continuous path in the direction of takeoff ?
In other words, if they were taking of to the north was the engine located north of the fuselage when it all stopped moving ? im just your average vfr pilot my friend is a life long amp ... he said the other crashes he was invloved in props were thrown to the 4 winds..... so im not trying to overstep my bounds of wisdom... stands to merit prop blade we can see in pic is feathered..... whats the instructions for engine out?? He dont think it was spinning.. 4 sure inspctors will tell the tail......
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Re: Plane crash today.
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12/05/19 09:55 PM
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LOL . It may not be anywhere near correct either. But if that second article is correct that there was possibly ice, frost and snow on the aircraft.....it wouldn't much matter how much weight he had on board. It wasn't going to fly like that. Especially if they encountered a wind shear
I would like to know......and maybe Hydropillar can find out...........was the engine found on a continuous path in the direction of takeoff ?
In other words, if they were taking of to the north was the engine located north of the fuselage when it all stopped moving ? I am far from an expert but in wreckage I have seen, if the engine was still under power the propeller tips will be bent in the direction of engine rotation and/or the engine under power will seperate from the wing. White, you are a pilot, I am not.
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Re: Plane crash today.
[Re: Law Dog]
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Ugly deal for sure !! im just being couch potato coach...... i can see a pilot bushing snow off wings... taking off 8000 ft runway over weight wind sheer,ice ,he shoulda augered right through it with that plane ... im voteing for fuel contamination
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Re: Plane crash today.
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12/05/19 11:06 PM
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Ugly deal for sure !! im just being couch potato coach...... i can see a pilot bushing snow off wings... taking off 8000 ft runway over weight wind sheer,ice ,he shoulda augered right through it with that plane ... im voteing for fuel contamination I am not sure what to think but fuel starvation shouldn’t have been an issue. I am leant towards gross overload and IMC conditions.
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Re: Plane crash today.
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12/05/19 11:10 PM
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Yes I can see him figuring the prop wash would clear the wings of snow but certainly not frost. I just can't accept that this guy would make that mistake.
Lots of variables and it was probably a combination of ingredients. X2 ...too much bad combination... kinda like eatin chinese gets ya a belly ache....
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Re: Plane crash today.
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12/06/19 12:52 AM
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Thanksgiving pheasant hunting trip was an annual tradition with that extended Mormon family. A picture showed them gathered around a picnic table that had pheasants piled 2 or 3 or 4 high. I would guess average weight of passengers was well under 200lbs. May they rest in peace.
Reported age of 3 male survivors was17, 27, and 28.
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Re: Plane crash today.
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12/06/19 11:31 PM
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I noticed the NTSB guy said visibility was one half mile. The minimum viz for IFR take off, in single engine, is one statute mile
EDIT: I just looked at that airport. Two runways; one is 4300 feet and the other is 3400. I'll bet he used all most all of whichever one he was using. you right on runway lengths... not sure where i got that 8000 ft i quoted... definitely wrong i didnt know that about 1 statue mile for ifr... is it less for a twin??
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