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The Feds just raised the age to purchase tobacco and vaping products to 21 from 18. I'm 68 and never smoked so this has no effect on me but I'm curious how others view it. You can drive a car at 16. Join the military and marry at 18. Get free condoms and abortions without parental consent in high school. Vote at 18 with some wanting to change the age to 16. Buy alcohol at 21. Stay on your parent's health insurance until 26. At what age does the government believe a person is capable of making a mature decision and should the government even make the determination? I'm sure I'm not the only person confused by this.
The Feds just raised the age to purchase tobacco and vaping products to 21 from 18. I'm 68 and never smoked so this has no effect on me but I'm curious how others view it. You can drive a car at 16. Join the military and marry at 18. Get free condoms and abortions without parental consent in high school. Vote at 18 with some wanting to change the age to 16. Buy alcohol at 21. Stay on your parent's health insurance until 26. At what age does the government believe a person is capable of making a mature decision and should the government even make the determination? I'm sure I'm not the only person confused by this.
Not just join the military, but has to register for selective service at 18 (for men).
The government doesn't want people making their own decisions.
Re: Age to buy tobacco raised
[Re: corky]
#6707309 12/27/1909:01 AM12/27/1909:01 AM
I find it troubling that we will give young men the tools to wage war on a monumentally destructive level yet feel they aren't capable of making the choice to smoke or drink.
"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
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[Re: corky]
#6707314 12/27/1909:06 AM12/27/1909:06 AM
The 16 to drive one I'm ok with.. The smoking and drinking thing I understand they want at 21 to keep it out of the high schools.. Like that has ever worked. My personal thought on it is if they truly want to regulate it at the high school. Make the age 19 for all that stuff..I hate the picking and choosing what they call and adult. We all know every kid is different and don't act the same at same age.. Pick one age for that adult word and quit chasing it around depending on what their applying it to..
Mac
"Never Forget Which Way Is Up"
Re: Age to buy tobacco raised
[Re: corky]
#6707322 12/27/1909:13 AM12/27/1909:13 AM
i started using tobacco regularly when i was 12. sometimes i had to lie and tell a store clerk it was for a parent. most didnt care. need to repeal any law that puts the burden of enforcement on a minimum wage earning convenience store clerk.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Age to buy tobacco raised
[Re: corky]
#6707331 12/27/1909:23 AM12/27/1909:23 AM
first time i bought a firearm at retail store was on my 17th birthday. bought it at a gibsons. 12 gauge shotgun. showed the clerk my driver license and said its my birthday. the clerk didnt catch that it was my 17th birthday. so when i filled out the form the gun control act of 68 required i took a year off my birthday. the clerk didnt catch that either. nobody is more resourceful than a kid who wants to buy something. all those age limit laws need repealed. is there anybody reading this who thinks high school kids cant get all the booze and tobacco they want?
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Age to buy tobacco raised
[Re: corky]
#6707345 12/27/1909:45 AM12/27/1909:45 AM
My hero was the marlboro man when I was a kid. i still miss tobacco. I think when I reach the end of my life, if I dont tip over sudden, I'm going to take up chewing again.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Age to buy tobacco raised
[Re: corky]
#6707352 12/27/1909:51 AM12/27/1909:51 AM
Raising the age to purchase tobacco was passed as part of the spending thing that just got passed. Approved by the democrat house, republican senate, and republican president. It pretty much flew under the radar due to the impeachment stuff. Good example of two opposing political parties with different stated goals, but the real joint unstated goal of oppressing freedom.
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[Re: loosegoose]
#6707357 12/27/1909:54 AM12/27/1909:54 AM
Raising the age to purchase tobacco was passed as part of the spending thing that just got passed. Approved by the democrat house, republican senate, and republican president. It pretty much flew under the radar due to the impeachment stuff. Good example of two opposing political parties with different stated goals, but the real joint unstated goal of oppressing freedom.
Well said! They are all Freedom gobblers.
I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: Age to buy tobacco raised
[Re: corky]
#6707359 12/27/1909:55 AM12/27/1909:55 AM
Okay so let's look at this from a realistic stand point. This is a feel good move by politicians. The problem is teenagers vaping. So we raise the age for buying cigarettes to 21. That makes perfect sense to me. How exactly does that affect the problem. If you want to have an impact on the problem pass laws that hold retailers that sell to under age folks accountable and enforce it.
"Skin that smokewagon and see what happens"
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[Re: corky]
#6707360 12/27/1909:55 AM12/27/1909:55 AM
didnt like short hair though. my kids still tease me about that. i had just gotten my air force discharge. was enjoying not having a haircut regulation
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Age to buy tobacco raised
[Re: corky]
#6707362 12/27/1909:57 AM12/27/1909:57 AM
As being raised in the second largest tobacco producing state I can remember as a kid old farmers asking "Haven't you started smoking yet?" You didn't worry about age as long as you were tall enough to put 25 cents in the machine and strong enough to pull the lever you got your cigarettes. Yes, I raised tobacco till the program went out in 03.
Government making sin legal does not make it right.
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[Re: corky]
#6707366 12/27/1910:01 AM12/27/1910:01 AM
19 year olds make stupid decisions - I did. But, stupid decisions is how I learned to stop making so many stupid decisions. I can see both sides but the war on drugs has proven that making something illegal doesn't stop anyone from getting or using it.
I'm disgusted by the new war on vaping. Vaping is stupid but people are going to do stupid things and giving those who are addicted to nicotine a less stupid option seems like a good thing to me.
-Ryan
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[Re: corky]
#6707373 12/27/1910:11 AM12/27/1910:11 AM
individual liberty has been willingly given up. drug laws. (that includes alcohol and tobacco), zoning laws, hiring laws, age limit laws, permit and license laws, firearm laws, on and on and on all in the name of saving people from theirself.
I say we need a little more natural selection again. Time to bring back personal liberty and let people live or die with the consequences of their choices. When somebody CHOOSES not to work their neighbor should not be forced to support them. Without government healthcare people could afford health care. Cost would come down or providers would be out of business. Free markets are a good thing.
All these government protections do is make things worse.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Age to buy tobacco raised
[Re: corky]
#6707389 12/27/1910:32 AM12/27/1910:32 AM
I am not upset at all by the age to smoke matching the age to drink , that actually makes sense been saying for a while while the two should match.
what doesn't make sense is not raising the age to vote and military service , you are an adult or your not . if you can not be trusted to use tobacco and alcohol with restraint then how can you use your vote with restraint how can you use your M4 with restraint.
yes I realize some can , some can at 16 or 17 , but they want to change age of responsibility then raise the age of responsibility. I was living on my own at 17 and in college , I had a wife and house at 21. as they keep telling me Pete your the exception. well everyone wants to be a kid longer sure all age of responsibility can go to 21.
it really doesn't matter the kids just mail order their vape and pot , edibles , THC vape juice, the USPS is the largest single drug dealer in the country right now.
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America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.