Re: Age to buy tobacco raised
[Re: corky]
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12/27/19 11:08 AM
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Their should be some decision made. Are you an adult at 18 or 21? I'm fine with either but it should be all or nothing. You can die for your country at 18, you can enter into legal contracts at 18, you can be tried as an adult at 18. But you can't drink, smoke, buy a handgun or get a carry permit until 21 (at least in my state) It's a crock! Either you an adult or your not, make up your dam mind.
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Re: Age to buy tobacco raised
[Re: corky]
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12/27/19 11:29 AM
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The Feds just raised the age to purchase tobacco and vaping products to 21 from 18. I'm 68 and never smoked so this has no effect on me but I'm curious how others view it. You can drive a car at 16. Join the military and marry at 18. Get free condoms and abortions without parental consent in high school. Vote at 18 with some wanting to change the age to 16. Buy alcohol at 21. Stay on your parent's health insurance until 26. At what age does the government believe a person is capable of making a mature decision and should the government even make the determination? I'm sure I'm not the only person confused by this. How about the states that want to legalize "recreational" pot, but raise the purchasing of tobacco age to 21? That's crazy! For the military, if you are willing to serve our country putting your life on the line, this shouldn't apply to you.
Most in this country have things people in other countries only dream about. Yet, they want America to be more like those other countries.
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Re: Age to buy tobacco raised
[Re: corky]
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12/27/19 11:38 AM
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I thought stuff like this was supposed to be a State issue? Maybe the congress should spend some time reducing the deficit?
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Re: Age to buy tobacco raised
[Re: Finster]
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12/27/19 11:50 AM
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Their should be some decision made. Are you an adult at 18 or 21? I'm fine with either but it should be all or nothing. You can die for your country at 18, you can enter into legal contracts at 18, you can be tried as an adult at 18. But you can't drink, smoke, buy a handgun or get a carry permit until 21 (at least in my state) It's a crock! Either you an adult or your not, make up your dam mind. There are those of us that are In their 50s and have yet to even start thinking like adults. LOL
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Re: Age to buy tobacco raised
[Re: corky]
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12/27/19 11:52 AM
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I have lived in the largest tobacco growing state for 73 years and grew up in the county with the largest allotted acreage. I worked in tobacco fields as a kid then in warehouses during the summer semesters in college. My family grew tobacco and all smoked - except for me. Go figure.
I sold life insurance for 16 years and saw the mortality tables for smokers and non smokers. It was a fact, yet it sure made most smokers mad. It is factored into our health insurance, unfairly in my opinion. There was a time when smokers paid more for health insurance also. Every smoker had a gripe about a friend who died of cancer and didn’t some or a smoker who lived to 85.
Why do we have speed limits. Because it benefits society. Why do we penalize speeders when they are caught. Because it benefits society.
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Re: Age to buy tobacco raised
[Re: Finster]
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12/27/19 11:54 AM
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Their should be some decision made. Are you an adult at 18 or 21? I'm fine with either but it should be all or nothing. You can die for your country at 18, you can enter into legal contracts at 18, you can be tried as an adult at 18. But you can't drink, smoke, buy a handgun or get a carry permit until 21 (at least in my state) It's a crock! Either you an adult or your not, make up your dam mind. exactly , although I will admit from a regulatory and enforcement position having 18 year olds in high-school with minors does present some issues. we had a young lady here turned 18 and saw money to be made or friends to be made it is unclear if she was actually making any profit buying vapes for a whole lot of freshmen and sophomores who then got caught being stupid with the vapes she bought them. this is the primary argument behind 21 as the age is because anyone you went to high-school with is out by the time you turn 21. not because they are wildly more responsible but because it limits the access to those under 18 more. that said from what my daughter who is 18 and a high-school senior tells me many of the girls in her class have 21-28 year old boyfriends so they found their way. with the internet they have no problem meeting 21+ men who are looking for a 16-18 girl friend. if they are willing to risk Statutory rape why would they worry about drugs, alcohol or smokes.
America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
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Re: Age to buy tobacco raised
[Re: corky]
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12/27/19 12:17 PM
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How come a 14 year old can be charged as an adult when a crime is committed, but cannot buy a beer or consent to sex? We are never going to have a perfect legal system. I say err on the side of individual liberty. 14 year olds have parents. Yes some parents are worthless but more laws wont fix that. Anybody think kids are better off in and out of foster homes till they are 18 then dumped in the street? Anybody think a 15 year old that wants a cigarette wont get it because it is illegal?
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Age to buy tobacco raised
[Re: corky]
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12/27/19 12:28 PM
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Society owns the roads. They don't own people. Why do they care if you hurt yourself?
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Re: Age to buy tobacco raised
[Re: Gary Benson]
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12/27/19 01:27 PM
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Thank goodness kids under 21 can't get ahold of tobacco now, same as alcohol, marijuana, recreational drugs, etc. More laws keep everyone safe. You are joking right ???
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Re: Age to buy tobacco raised
[Re: corky]
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12/27/19 01:34 PM
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This was a test. Age to buy any firearm or ammo will be next.
Mike
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Re: Age to buy tobacco raised
[Re: Mike in A-town]
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12/27/19 01:44 PM
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This was a test. Age to buy any firearm or ammo will be next.
Mike Sadly I think your right . time to start making everything
America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
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Re: Age to buy tobacco raised
[Re: corky]
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12/27/19 02:02 PM
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I worked at a factory for a few years. There was a safety guy, whose job was to identify and correct any hazards in the plant. It started off ok and he found some legitimate concerns. As time wore on, he was going wayyyy overboard and hampering employee moral and production, but...he had a job to do. Point being, these people will never stop. The anti’s, the pc crap, all of it. They’ll never one day say “we’ve done it, our work is finished”. There is no end game. They won’t succeed in banning trapping and go back to normal. Like a liberal black hole, they’ll continue to eat your freedom and independence. After trapping...hunting. After hunting...fishing. After fishing ...regulations for how to keep a pet. After smoking...how much red meat you can consume. After red meat...sugar and on and on and on. A line will have to be drawn somewhere. They will not stop wanting to stop you from doing something. There is no end game. They want your life to be just as they say it should be.
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Re: Age to buy tobacco raised
[Re: TurkeyWrangler]
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12/27/19 02:25 PM
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Back when I was in school there was a designated smoking area for the kids that smoked. Same here. BTW, you can enlist at 17, with parental consent, as I did.
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Re: Age to buy tobacco raised
[Re: TurkeyWrangler]
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12/27/19 02:40 PM
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Back when I was in school there was a designated smoking area for the kids that smoked. We had one of those, too. Off the school grounds. The principal used to go out about every morning and drive the smokers back across the line. A lot of this makes no sense to me. I'd assume a lot of people who want to lower the voting age also voted for this. Be consistent.
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