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Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6716209
01/04/20 11:20 AM
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Magnetic fields keep coyotes from being caught in cage traps? Pyramids? Not an attack on the poster just calling complete nonsense with regard to cage traps and coyotes.

The same coyote that avoids the front of the cage by 20 feet on trail cam and then excavates a giant hole behind and under the trap trying to get at the bait is because it was magnetic? Come on.

Not saying for one second I know how to catch a coyote in a cage on purpose but I am positive beyond the slightest doubt that a plastic cage would make no difference.

I sell 8-1200 cages a year and been doing it for 15 years. Have a customer base of a several thousand. I hear from quite a few of them and have trapped a little myself and there aren't many coyotes getting caught in cages. So I either sell highly magnetic cages or coyotes just don't like cage traps.

In that country someone mentioned where Yancy used to run of course I live here. I had a buddy caught 15! in five weeks out there while bobcat trapping.
Asked him what his set was: Cage lightly covered with branches, a dead dove or other bait just thrown in the back. Powder River Cat Call Extreme as a lure, skunk paste and bobcat urine.

I personally have maybe 10 in 15 years cage trapping.

Old wives tale: "It's always a mangy or young and dumb coyote" Easily half the ones I have seen caught are mature dogs. Barking and growling as you walk up. The reason I suspect is why small cage traps have a higher percentage for catching big toms. They are just bold and aggressive.

Living in this stinking state with coyotes running the streets a guy could make a nice living selling cage traps that could catch coyotes. Iv'e spent considerable time contemplating it and have come up with nothing and I'm not the only one who's worked on it. Money is the great motivator and nobodies [Linked Image]
come up with anything.

ML

Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6716213
01/04/20 11:24 AM
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I just figured the ones you cage were not the top of the litter or darn hungry.


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Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6716218
01/04/20 11:26 AM
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I think some of them probably were just as you describe Law Dog. Just adding that a high percentage of adults get caught as well.

Nothing more sorrowful looking than a bad mange coyote in a cage trap!

ML

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Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6716236
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I've been thinking about setting up a bait cage with Comstock double doors as the entrances in really thick cover. Kind of like how the snare lynx and wolves in canada but instead of snares cages.

Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6716243
01/04/20 11:40 AM
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I had one of my double doors installed into the fence at a little farm where coyote had been getting stuff.

Gave it a couple of weeks but nothing. Works for bobcats...

ML

Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: Mercer Lawing] #6716352
01/04/20 01:18 PM
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Ppl I just hope this thread never gets deleted. I am positive of what I’ve written. It’s just a matter of time I will be common practice to know what I’ve written. It’s a shame that there’s not more interest to know what can be very Good for the industry and the public in general. How many of you that are criticizing Have actually read my book. How many have actually tested at least 20 different models and manufactures of cage traps A varying sizes and shapesUsing a magnetometer.


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Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: Mercer Lawing] #6716371
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Mercer a bobcat can’t see the magnetic field he can only sense it if It is strong.it Is explained in my bookThey are just not afraid of it.Being critical without knowing just hurts the industry.


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Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6716392
01/04/20 01:53 PM
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Crabbers discovered the use of sacrificial anodes a long long time ago.
Not even coming close to denying that animals can sense a lot of things we can't including magnetic fields.

This thread is about COYOTES. Reading a book or de magnetizing my cage is not gonna get a coyote to come any closer to my cage. They walk around it. Waaayyy around it.

You telling me a pyramid shaped cage trap with the right harmonics is gonna cause a coyote NOT to be scared to death of a cage trap at twenty feet?

Thread is about coyotes and cages. The thought that changing some magnetic dynamic with a cage trap would cause a COYOTE not to be wary of a cage and would result in any measurable change in the frequency of catching a COYOTE in a cage trap is just silly. You still have to get them to visit the cage.

In my lifetime no one will ever prove that these techniques will ever result in a measurable improvement on catching COYOTES in cages.

ML

Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: Mercer Lawing] #6716398
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As I said before I hope this thread never gets deleted.


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Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6716522
01/04/20 04:32 PM
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Now . . . . for a good method to demagnetize snares!

And to ground the electrical field.

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Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: Furvor] #6716532
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Originally Posted by Furvor
Now . . . . for a good method to demagnetize snares!

And to ground the electrical field.



What method do you use to support snares?

Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: silkyplainscoyot] #6716541
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ADC has the Best Method for using some snare supports that I have seen. Remember magnetic fields don’t serve the ground you tell the field is directed. Even the snare he uses and how he connects it.


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Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: silkyplainscoyot] #6716542
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How the field as directed is what’s important.adc seems To have the best

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Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: Kirk De] #6716575
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Best I could tellis that J amies support wire and snare cable bleed after the half-inch rebar he uses. I didn’t see any swivels. A swivel would radiate the magnetic field out from the rebar and be Something the coyote could see and avoid. By using a half inch rebar magnetic field emanating off the rebar would be smaller than 5/8 or larger rebar. It would better mimic a T post what’s the coyote is not afraid of.The electromagnetic field would rise out the top of the rebar.The same as a T post on on a fence.


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Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6716750
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Hmmm intresting...

Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6716849
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I might have missed it, but what is the title of the book?

Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6717019
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As I understand electricity the earth carries a negative charge. If a snare picks up a negative charge from the earth that might, for all I know (zero), have an effect on an animal. Micro stainless steel wire has long been woven into outer clothing to negate static electricity in electronic equipment manufacturing, and at least one hunting garment producer is using similar construction and claiming it allows humans to get closer to animals without alarming them.

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Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: Furvor] #6717441
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It has been proven that lower levels of electromagnetic fields are Breaking down cells and are more harmful than previously thought. I think the coyote Senses the field as being harmful to him and other coyotes over time.he is then reacting to what he has learned .
From what I understand and found there are very few animals that have been successfully tested To Carry The cryptochrome molecule to allow EMF to be seen .


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Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6717456
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A K-9 can smell way better then we can they can find the smallest amounts of scent and they can hear/sense a game cam when I takes a pic. I would buy the 5 senses before I’ll buy into a 6th sense. Not saying it’s not possible just respect what they already have going.


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Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6717496
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I'm not saying yes or no to any thing but I have watched some tests on dogs that makes one think that maybe they can sense things that we dont understand. They use dogs to alert patients of seizures coming is one example.

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