More shooting of big game
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Teton goat gunning a go despite G&F condemnation Teton goat gunning a go despite G&F condemnationA herd of mountain goats in the Snake River Range enjoys a spring snack in 2015. The species is not native to the nearby Teton Range, which it has invaded, putting bighorn sheep there in peril. (Angus M. Thuermer Jr./WyoFile) January 17, 2020 by Angus M. Thuermer Jr. 2 Comments
Tweet Share 457 Pin Email 457 SHARES Print Friendly, PDF & Email To protect imperiled bighorn sheep, Grand Teton National Park will try to gun down invading mountain goats from the air — despite a Wyoming Game and Fish Commission resolution condemning the plan.
Weather has stymied the plan to shoot the non-native goats, but the park is trying to schedule a helicopter for the shoot later this month or in early February, park spokeswoman Denise Germann told WyoFile on Thursday. It’s possible “skilled volunteers,” a legal euphemism for hunters, might yet get a chance to bag a goat as the Wyoming Game and Fish Commission and department advocate.
Grand Teton will continue to pursue the aerial goat-gunning option because it best addresses the threat to the Teton bighorns, Germann said. The isolated and shrinking bighorn population of perhaps 125 sheep could contract disease from the goats, further threatening its viability.
“The National Park Service has a responsibility to protect native species and reduce the population of a non-native species,” Germann told WyoFile. Managers believe that quick action is key in fighting invasive species, she said.
“It’s easier and more cost-effective the earlier and [more] rapidly you take action,” she said. “Our goal continues to [be to] protect that small Teton bighorn sheep herd,” she said, a goal the park shares with Game and Fish.
The park took to heart Wyoming Game and Fish comments advocating instead for a hunter harvest of goats, Germann said. Grand Teton changed its plan to include an option for “skilled volunteers” to shoot and retrieve mountain goats in the culling operation, she said.
“We may be using it later this year,” she said. Meantime, “we’ll use the tool that’s the most effective at the time and the most rapid tool.”
Game and Fish condemns plan The Wyoming Game and Fish Commission on Wednesday condemned the park’s plan. The commission “strenuously urges the National Park Service to immediately cancel plans to kill the mountain goats via aerial gunning,” a resolution signed by commission president David Rael states (see below).
It is “unacceptable” to have “government personnel kill mountain goats from helicopters and [leave] them to rot and be wasted,” the resolution reads. The park plan is “inconsistent with all notions of game management, fair chase, and totally inconsistent with years of GTNP management of big game animals…” the resolution reads.
Wyoming Game and Fish Commission President David Rael. (Wyoming Game and Fish Department) Instead, the park should allow “skilled volunteers” to bag and remove the goats, the resolution states.
The park plan does have “biological merit,” Game and Fish director Brian Nesvik wrote Grand Teton National Park Acting Superintendent Gopaul Noojibail. Potential “pathogen transfer” from goats to sheep “poses a risk to bighorn sheep populations,” Nesvik wrote.
Some bacteria can easily cause pneumonia in bighorn sheep, a malady that can spread rapidly and decimate a population.
Nevertheless, hunting, not aerial gunning, is the appropriate method to cull populations, Nesvik wrote. “We reserve agency aerial removal only for urgent situations where removal must be timely to prevent disease transmission,” his letter reads.
“Our assessment of public value for mountain goats and the use of public hunters to manage wildlife is corroborated through citizen feedback,” Nesvik wrote.
Game and Fish Commissioner Mike Schmid said in a statement the park plan “flies in the face of all Wyoming values with how we approach wildlife management.” Commissioner Pat Crank couldn’t understand the decision, according to a statement.
Hunting forbidden in national parks “Hunting is not allowed in national parks,” Germann said, drawing a distinction between the park culling plan and Game and Fish hunts.
“Hunting — it’s a recreational act,” she said. “It includes fair chase, personal [procurement] of meat,” and other rules, ethics and traditions. “Culling is an intensively managed operation — meat allocation is not guaranteed,” Germann said.
Hunting could be added to the program “if conditions safely allow,” she said, noting the steep terrain where goats live. “It’s very challenging here,” she said.
The park also could capture mountain goats alive and relocate them, she said. That remains an option as well.
Support WyoFile with a tax-deductible donation today Germann said she didn’t know whether Noojibail would respond to the Game and Fish, but that the two agencies are in regular communication.
Grand Teton is authorized by congress to hold an annual elk reduction program, in which qualified hunters are temporarily deputized as rangers to kill elk in some areas east
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Re: More shooting of big game
[Re: Bruce T]
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01/18/20 01:51 PM
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Yes sir
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Dont know all the details but they state the sheep herd IS shrinking and the goats MIGHT pose a threat. If they knew that the goats where causing the herd to shrink go for it, but right now it sounds like a hypothetical situation so it leads me to question the real motive to spend the time and money for this situation. Could it be that they want to weed out the sportsmen in the management equation? Take care of them before the sportsman get a chance? More anti hunting agenda? Or have they tried hunting and it isn't working? Why not find out what IS causing the shrinking sheep population and address that directly? Just my thoughts looking from the outside in.
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Re: More shooting of big game
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01/18/20 02:25 PM
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like the ol shootin gallerie at the fair---20 pts for a sheep,30 pts for a skier,-10 pts for shootin a trapper.
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Re: More shooting of big game
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01/18/20 02:37 PM
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How many tags were offered? For the goats, not the skiers lol.
I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Re: More shooting of big game
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01/18/20 02:39 PM
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Yes sir
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Have they tried eliminating the skiers? I don't believe so Then if they know the skiers are the problem and the goats are the result of the the issue and they haven't taken. steps to limit the skiing the statement " the parkies are just trying to address the situation in an effective manner " doesn't appear to be factual, unless I'm missing something (which can happen).
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Re: More shooting of big game
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01/18/20 02:47 PM
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They already KNOW what is causing the shrinking sheep population.
Skiers are encroaching into sheep habitat and moving them out of it. Goats are replacing the displaced sheep.
The solution.......IMO.......is to eliminate the skiers first AND the goats. I'm not sure whether aerial gunning would be appropriate to eliminate skiers. Maybe just signs would work.
I don't see any anti-hunter agenda. The parkies are just trying to address the issue in an efficient manner. I doubt that 'hunters' could even come close to harvest goals needed to protect the sheep Sure glad I wasn’t sipping my coffee would have gotten real messy real quick. I still say if it’s tourist season why can’t we shootem ?
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Re: More shooting of big game
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Its funny the anti hunting side will say how ineffective the hunters are when a population control is needed but turn around and say how detrimental hunters are to a population when they dont want a species hunted like the wolf or Grizzlies.... Excellent point!
I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Re: More shooting of big game
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Then if they know the skiers are the problem and the goats are the result of the the issue and they haven't taken. steps to limit the skiing the statement " the parkies are just trying to address the situation in an effective manner " doesn't appear to be factual, unless I'm missing something (which can happen).
I suspect it is based on how much money the skiers bring to the Park and its concessionaires. Don't misunderstand my comment about efficiency of hunters. I think it would be obvious that the goats can be more efficiently dealt with by helicopter shooters than if left to the public. I don't see any 'anti-hunting' agenda behind that particular decision. It's just a more practical way to get the job done completely in a timely manner. It's comparable to coyote trappers trying to reduce coyote populations compared to aerial gunning. Whether you eliminate the skiers or not, the goats are already there. Both the skiers and the goats need to be removed to protect the sheep.
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