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Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: UPoldman] #6741885
01/24/20 01:39 AM
01/24/20 01:39 AM
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Use that button with the blue up arrow.

U probly need to crop the photo down. I do. Making it black & white helps too

Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: AJE] #6742160
01/24/20 10:03 AM
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This is a refusal by a Coyote.

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Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: UPoldman] #6742609
01/24/20 04:22 PM
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Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: UPoldman] #6742635
01/24/20 04:52 PM
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I caught a Coyote in the snare to the right today but it got away. Is that suppose to happen. Are these CR that we have to use in Michigan designed so poorly that they won't hold a coyote or is this the exception and not the rule.

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Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: UPoldman] #6742648
01/24/20 05:14 PM
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How does a Coyote do this ? Can they walk through a CR. Did the CR not fire because it was frozen in the snow ?

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Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: UPoldman] #6742658
01/24/20 05:23 PM
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Yes and also it's hanging to low. The snare bottom should be 12-14 inches above foot print impression.


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Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: UPoldman] #6742660
01/24/20 05:23 PM
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This coyote walked up to my snare and turned left. I did not know that each set had to be totally blocked off. I was afraid to modify the set to much or I would scare the Coyote, but it appear that he knows where it is anyway.

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Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: bctomcat] #6742669
01/24/20 05:29 PM
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To date we have had an average snow fall, 80 inches so far. The position of this CR is because of that snow.

Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: UPoldman] #6742715
01/24/20 06:13 PM
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Deep powder is tough. I've found its better to wait until it crusts to both call and trap.

That being said, those cables are missing because of two reasons, in my opinion. As mentioned, they are way too low....its also really hard to estimate coyote print depth in powder.

I would also suggest trying to get a line of sight on the set (without disturbing the snow in a way that would alter their path) and checking to see how it would look at coyote height. In your pics, it sure looks like there might be sticks and branches that are impacting your set far more than the cable is.

I started to catch more coyotes as I hung them higher and tighter. We have loop restriction and height regs here too, but big low loops just don't produce.

These are just things that have helped me.

Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: UPoldman] #6742791
01/24/20 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by UPoldman
I caught a Coyote in the snare to the right today but it got away. Is that suppose to happen. Are these CR that we have to use in Michigan designed so poorly that they won't hold a coyote or is this the exception and not the rule.

The last furbearer biologist(not the current)told me according to their studies they found a 60% success rate with the current rules.He told me "I can live with that".


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Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: Buck (Zandra)] #6742896
01/24/20 08:52 PM
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I appreciate your suggestions. I find that after I started hanging snares, I feel that I got better and faster quickly. Most of my sets are staked to the ground with extensions on most. Then I wire from a tree or limb to hang the snare. Your observation that there may be sticks or other debris in the line of sight of the snare I set is more a case of the angle of the picture and less of actual obstructions in the way of the snare. I have hung snares over the fresh tracks that the Coyotes have made thinking that they are walking where the feel comfortable and then thinking that when they came through again they would use the same line. Now I think that I need to box the snare in more and give them fewer options. I realize that some of my snares are getting low to the ground as our snow goes up in depth. The debate that I was having with myself is how long do I let it go and not disturb the set or should try and always have it at the recommended height and disturb the set more often. Between the Coyotes on my line and you guys I am learning a lot. Thanks

Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: UPoldman] #6743088
01/24/20 10:41 PM
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I am curious how far from your bait you are hanging your snares. When coyotes travel to a bait station they tend to move at a pretty good clip until they are within a hundred yards or so then they slow down and move cautiously. I catch lots of coyotes 4 to 5 hundred yards from my bait.


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Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: UPoldman] #6743276
01/24/20 11:54 PM
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I'm not sure where you got those CRs you are using UPoldman but they look like they have slim locks which are listed as non-relaxing,,, the locks are hard to see so I could be wrong on that but they are still illegal as the stop is set for a 2 1/2" deer stop and not a 4.25 stop like your regulations state. I'd delete the pictures and pull those CRs before you get fined.

Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: ~ADC~] #6743422
01/25/20 06:15 AM
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Thanks ADC. My CR's are from F & T here in Michigan. They are Dakota CR's and are made and sold as Michigan legal CR. I have noticed that in two different orders of CR's from F & T I have received two different locks. Last winter a Conservation officer said that they were legal.

Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: UPoldman] #6758861
02/05/20 02:41 PM
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I have finally gotten into the swing of snaring coyotes only to discover that the cable restraints trappers are required to be used in Michigan don't hold coyotes. At a bait site in which I had captured two coyotes, as I walked up to the first one with pistol in hand to put it down, it pulled out and ran away. This makes me sick after all the time, money, and effort put in to catch these coyotes only to have two third of the pull out. Michigans DNR needs to either redesign these cable restraints before next season or let us use real snares with a quick lethal kills. I am so disappointed by this experience, I am pulling all cable restraints.

Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: UPoldman] #6758886
02/05/20 03:08 PM
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Cable restraints sure aren't ideal, but they'll hold MOST coyotes that walk through. What exactly failed? Where was it caught?

Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: UPoldman] #6758955
02/05/20 03:42 PM
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I have had 7 CRs fail out of 14 coyotes that have been caught. The 350 LB BADs failed In all cases that shouldn't happen. But I did catch and hold a coyote today so.

I can't see how these snares are called cable restraints when they are used In entanglement. I wish we could use entanglement life would be so much easier.


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Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: UPoldman] #6759074
02/05/20 05:17 PM
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One of the biggest obstacles with our regs is the requirement that they can't close tighter than 41/4".I'm no snare expert but I had far better luck when it was 21/2".I had too many instances where I'd caught them and apparently they got those hind legs working and worked the cable over the ears and away they went.I realize they probably can't do that if they're into it at the base of the neck,I had one on a snowmobile line that chewed thru the cable and ran off.About 2 miles away a coyote jumped on my snow machine track dragging a cable.He followed my track then jumped off and followed him thinking He'd get hung up somewhere.He didn't.Thats when I pulled all of mine and never set another one.


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Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: Buck (Zandra)] #6759282
02/05/20 07:04 PM
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M.Magis The Coyote that got away today was caught around its neck. The other pull outs were on the ground when I got there. All of the Coyotes that I have captured were by the neck.

Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: UPoldman] #6759419
02/05/20 08:25 PM
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Are loaded CRs less likely to open up, just curious. I didn’t realize MI stops had to be set at 4.5”, no wonder you guys are having problems.

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