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Re: Love your enemies? [Re: loosegoose] #6760940 02/06/20 08:26 PM 02/06/20 08:26 PM
Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 16,318 ny U upstateNY trapper
upstateNY trapper U Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 16,318 ny	Originally Posted by loosegoose In Matthew 5, Jesus told us to love our enemies and pray for them. He explained that even pagans love those who love them, and great their own, so if we as Christians only so that we're not doing anything more than what the pagans do. This morning at the national prayer breakfast, Aurthur Brooks gave a speech about loving your enemy, something that's important to not forget in this time of high strung politics. After he spoke, trump got up and at the beginning of his speech, chuckled and said he didn't agree with Aurthur, implying that he didn't believe it's necessary to love one's enemies. So, without devolving into a pro-trump/anti-trump political debate, do you think we should follow the words of Jesus and love our enemies, including our political enemies? And what exactly does that look like? If you were walking down the street with your wife,,and some punk ran up and belted her in the mouth,,would you tell her to turn the other cheek,,or beat him to death? the wheels of the gods turn very slowly

Re: Love your enemies? [Re: Pike River] #6760941 02/06/20 08:26 PM 02/06/20 08:26 PM
Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 3,216 Pa. B Bigbrownie trapper
Bigbrownie trapper B Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 3,216 Pa.	It doesn’t mean you can’t have disagreements. I am tiring quickly of demonizations from both parties. Not benefitting anyone. Last edited by Bigbrownie; 02/06/20 08:26 PM.

Re: Love your enemies? [Re: loosegoose] #6760943 02/06/20 08:27 PM 02/06/20 08:27 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 416 Sandhills, NE C Colter Benson trapper
Colter Benson trapper C Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 416 Sandhills, NE	How many posts have to get deleted before some of you fellers get the point? And dont say this isnt political, because you know where it's going

Re: Love your enemies? [Re: upstateNY] #6760944 02/06/20 08:27 PM 02/06/20 08:27 PM
Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 10,216 Marion Kansas Y Yes sir "Callie's little brother"
Yes sir "Callie's little brother" Y Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 10,216 Marion Kansas	Originally Posted by upstateNY I use the Bible like I use recipes.They are a "guideline"Great thing to start out with as a base, but some things need to be "tweeked" a bit. It's either all true or it is all a lie

Re: Love your enemies? [Re: loosegoose] #6760945 02/06/20 08:28 PM 02/06/20 08:28 PM
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 17,740 Central Oregon AntiGov trapper
AntiGov trapper Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 17,740 Central Oregon	God helped David kill Goliath . I'm good with that Looseygoose , if a man rapes your wife will you shake his hand ? Report a post club - Non member

Re: Love your enemies? [Re: Yes sir] #6760946 02/06/20 08:28 PM 02/06/20 08:28 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 63,342 Minnesota 330-Trapper trapper
330-Trapper trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 63,342 Minnesota	Originally Posted by Yes sir Originally Posted by upstateNY I use the Bible like I use recipes.They are a "guideline"Great thing to start out with as a base, but some things need to be "tweeked" a bit. It's either all true or it is all a lie Yep NRA and NTA Life Member www.BackroadsRevised@etsy.com

Re: Love your enemies? [Re: danny clifton] #6760949 02/06/20 08:31 PM 02/06/20 08:31 PM
Joined: May 2018 Posts: 11,100 SW Georgia W Wanna Be trapper
Wanna Be trapper W Joined: May 2018 Posts: 11,100 SW Georgia	Originally Posted by danny clifton and according to your bible those beloved children get set on fire if they dont believe the bible is truth. if setting your kids on fire for disobeying you is your idea of love then i guess my answer is right in line with loving your enemies? What Bible are you reading and did you read it all the way through or just the parts you could pick out for your pleasure? In the Old Testament God told them to kill everyone in battle. In the New Testament Jesus, that would be Gods Son, basically said the old ways aren’t needed anymore...he came to die for your sins. When reading or investigating something it pays to read all the way through the Book, otherwise it’s not doing you much good. Heck, just stop where ole Solomon had 700 wives and try explaining that one to your wife...don’t see that working out for you if you brought home 699 other women to share the love with.

Re: Love your enemies? [Re: loosegoose] #6760952 02/06/20 08:31 PM 02/06/20 08:31 PM
Joined: May 2016 Posts: 3,600 Southern Illinois F Foxpaw trapper
Foxpaw trapper F Joined: May 2016 Posts: 3,600 Southern Illinois	Seems to me President Trump must abide by the "feed your enemies". He keeps feeding them and they just keep gobbling it up! They seem to be slow learners.

Re: Love your enemies? [Re: loosegoose] #6760953 02/06/20 08:33 PM 02/06/20 08:33 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,973 williamsburg ks D danny clifton "Grumpy Old Man"
danny clifton "Grumpy Old Man" D Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,973 williamsburg ks	Good argument. By telling someone that setting your children on fire really is love but your mind is incapable of understanding it , you make it all seem plausible and sensible. Forgive your enemies after you sort them out I can get behind. Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)

Re: Love your enemies? [Re: danny clifton] #6760956 02/06/20 08:37 PM 02/06/20 08:37 PM
Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 3,650 Southeast Ohio amspoker trapper
amspoker trapper Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 3,650 Southeast Ohio	Originally Posted by danny clifton and according to your bible those beloved children get set on fire if they dont believe the bible is truth. if setting your kids on fire for disobeying you is your idea of love then i guess my answer is right in line with loving your enemies? Bible doesn't say that. Your biggest problem with the bible seems to be with the eternal heIl fire. If anyone actually read the bible, they would realize that's not what it says happens when you die. So all your angst is over a bad interpretation of the bible, given by people trying to scare you to go to church. You seem like you are genuinely looking for answers. Maybe I am wrong. Levi

Re: Love your enemies? [Re: loosegoose] #6760958 02/06/20 08:38 PM 02/06/20 08:38 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 718 Saskatchewan S Saskquatch trapper
Saskquatch trapper S Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 718 Saskatchewan	Depends what an enemy is. For example: If its someone who wants to personally assault you or your family, respond with reasonable force. If its someone who disagrees with your beliefs, then you verbally discuss within rational parameters . PS: (Parameters are not defined)

Re: Love your enemies? [Re: loosegoose] #6760959 02/06/20 08:39 PM 02/06/20 08:39 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,973 williamsburg ks D danny clifton "Grumpy Old Man"
danny clifton "Grumpy Old Man" D Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,973 williamsburg ks	So what are you saying? When the Japanese bombed Pearl harbor the U.S. should have had prayer vigils instead of declaring war? Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)

Re: Love your enemies? [Re: danny clifton] #6760960 02/06/20 08:40 PM 02/06/20 08:40 PM
Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 10,216 Marion Kansas Y Yes sir "Callie's little brother"
Yes sir "Callie's little brother" Y Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 10,216 Marion Kansas	Originally Posted by danny clifton Good argument. By telling someone that setting your children on fire really is love but your mind is incapable of understanding it , you make it all seem plausible and sensible. Forgive your enemies after you sort them out I can get behind. The love part is what Jesus endured for my sins and your sins.

Re: Love your enemies? [Re: danny clifton] #6760962 02/06/20 08:41 PM 02/06/20 08:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 10,216 Marion Kansas Y Yes sir "Callie's little brother"
Yes sir "Callie's little brother" Y Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 10,216 Marion Kansas	Originally Posted by danny clifton So what are you saying? When the Japanese bombed Pearl harbor the U.S. should have had prayer vigils instead of declaring war? Were did anyone say anything that let you to that?

Re: Love your enemies? [Re: loosegoose] #6760967 02/06/20 08:42 PM 02/06/20 08:42 PM
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Pike River trapper P Joined: Oct 2018 Posts: 5,570 Dunbar, Wisconsin	Lot of buffet Christians here . Just like a certain political party and the constitution. Last edited by Pike River; 02/06/20 08:43 PM.

Re: Love your enemies? [Re: loosegoose] #6760970 02/06/20 08:43 PM 02/06/20 08:43 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,973 williamsburg ks D danny clifton "Grumpy Old Man"
danny clifton "Grumpy Old Man" D Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,973 williamsburg ks	So declaring war is loving your enemy? You Christians spend a LOT of time wandering around in circles. My belief is not yours but I dont go round and round the mulberry bush either. Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)

Re: Love your enemies? [Re: amspoker] #6760971 02/06/20 08:43 PM 02/06/20 08:43 PM
J J Staton Unregistered
J Staton Unregistered J	Originally Posted by amspoker Originally Posted by danny clifton and according to your bible those beloved children get set on fire if they dont believe the bible is truth. if setting your kids on fire for disobeying you is your idea of love then i guess my answer is right in line with loving your enemies? Bible doesn't say that. Your biggest problem with the bible seems to be with the eternal heIl fire. If anyone actually read the bible, they would realize that's not what it says happens when you die. So all your angst is over a bad interpretation of the bible, given by people trying to scare you to go to church. You seem like you are genuinely looking for answers. Maybe I am wrong. You sure about that?

Re: Love your enemies? [Re: loosegoose] #6760972 02/06/20 08:44 PM 02/06/20 08:44 PM
Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 3,650 Southeast Ohio amspoker trapper
amspoker trapper Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 3,650 Southeast Ohio	100% Levi

Re: Love your enemies? [Re: loosegoose] #6760974 02/06/20 08:45 PM 02/06/20 08:45 PM
J J Staton Unregistered
J Staton Unregistered J	Romans 12:18 is a good verse to refer to on this subject.

Re: Love your enemies? [Re: amspoker] #6760977 02/06/20 08:46 PM 02/06/20 08:46 PM
J J Staton Unregistered
J Staton Unregistered J	Originally Posted by amspoker 100%. Read Luke?

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