Thanks Dirt. Looks like you are doing your research. I noticed the same thing with your posts about the NAFA mess since last fall.

Yes "drowning" bad word/bad optics and even worse appears to be fake news. Aquatic furbearers, unlike furbearers that are normally land animals, do not drown. What happens, as best I can dig out, is they succumb to carbon dioxide narcosis i.e. they enter a stupor and then an irreversible unconscious state while underwater. There is not a "horrible" drowning such as with non-aquatic mammals like ourselves would endure.

As a result of above submersion sets are allowed in Canada under the AIHTS (Agreement on International Humane Trapping Standards).

Respondents being asked about "drowning" animals are being asked a question which has been deviously loaded, with the word drowning, in order to produce the desired negative answer. Sounds like a question the antis dreamed up.

The word drowning needs to leave our message just like "harvest" has replaced "kill". Harvest = sustainable and kill leaves open to the imagination anything the antis can distort into people's heads.

And yes again no fixing hard core antis. Them and hard core Dems not to be reasoned with and are the same people. We are trying to present ourselves to the general public, as I hope most of us know, as reasonable and responsible people.

Good exchange and correct me if I have anything incorrect in above.

There is a reason Alaska does not force change.


Fish and game analysis

Thanks Dirt. I am going to have someone print this off so I can take my time and digest it. Can not digest/think through properly anything more than a page off a computer screen.

As our population increases so does the contact with more people and all the baggage that comes with that. Gone for me are the days I could run my line with out running into people and their entourage.
Semi funny story, I set up signs on my trapline telling of trapping activity and this is 40 miles from town in the bush up a secondary old logging road. Some guy was running his dog down the road in front of his truck. The dog made it 200 yards and was firmly caught in my dirt hole wolf trap.The guy got his dog out and smashed up my trap with a axe and hung it on my warning sign with an explicit hand written note on the back of his Tim Horton donut bag.
I bet you that mother reads and heeds the next trapping sign he sees.

Thanks for digging that up and posting. Good read.

So glad I dont have to deal with people running around on my line. We have a fur tech here but luckily he has no say in how we manage our lines. Last thing I would want is the Govt telling me how to manage a resource they know nothing about. They have spent millions making a mess out of our ungulate / predator populations, cant imagine what would happen if they started trying to manage traplines.

I agree with MT, ranched fur has had a huge negative impact on wild fur.

Last thing you want is the govt telling you how to manage the resource on your line? Come on Yukon. Gibb and Boco are so happy with their fur techs. What could go wrong? Hahaha!!!
mt

You can laugh all you want but you just might find out what can go wrong. I just watched Bernie S tell his comrades at a town hall that his 'free healthcare' was going to be similar to our 'free' healthcare....well unfortunately I had some experience with our healthcare this winter and you wouldn't believe the story even if I told it. How about a biopsy with zero and I mean zero anything for the pain?? I knew I was in trouble when they strapped me down. Halfway through I asked one of the nurses for a towel...so she put a wet one on my forehead and I said no in my mouth. She stuffed it in and it muffled the screams. No kidding I've never felt pain like that. It was something you would expect in a war zone or third world country. I should point out this biopsy took place a full two years after I was referred. Thats how long I had to wait. I could tell you other stories about our 'free' medical system but Im sure you get the idea....the system is broken. The Whitehorse paper just ran a story about a guy that walked into the ER with his right eye in his hand. Over the past few weeks he had been to several "doctors" complaining about pain in his eye. He was given antibiotics and told he just had an infection. Turns out the poor guy had advanced caner in his eye socket. Keep in mind we get to enjoy this level of "free" health service while paying close to 50% of every dollar we earn in taxes of some form. To think that the Govt can do a good job managing our furbearers is nothing short of insanity

Trappers here are the front line conservationists on their traplines.No one has more intrest in managing their furbearers than the trapper.Fur techs are in place to make sure those not trapping either hire a helper or a trapper that will trap will be put on the line-an excellent system that keeps trappers on the land and the fur resource managed.
And anecdotal bullshit about our healthcare system being portrayed as the norm is a complete lie.
Why the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) do you even live here if you hate our way of life so much?Just go back home to the USA where you come fromAnd dont let the door hit you in the arse on your way out.

The healthcare scenario isn't anecdotal. I work in the healthcare system when Im not trapping or guiding. My youngest daughter is a full time paramedic, my wife is a part time paramedic. Many of my clients are Canadian doctors. We see the system every single day. The specialist I saw in Vancouver recommended that I go to the USA for treatment if my tests come back bad. Luckily they didnt. If you think the system isn't broken you either have no experience with both systems or you have your head in the sand. Our system is broke.

I live here because my business is here and because I like it here. Myself and many other Canadians realize that things are not as rosy as you paint them. We would like to see things change before Canada becomes like some European countries which it is fast becoming. Once there, there is no turning back. Unfortunately western Canadians are at the mercy of eastern canuks like you. Havent you seen the big push in western Canada to split from the east?? Its on the news nightly. Those people want change too.....doesnt mean they dont see value in a lot of what Canada has to offer; it means they/we want to protect what we have and the best way to do that is a limited government.

Your spewing a load of BS,I have been thru the health system here all my life,and have experience in several other countries with theirs.
From my,my familys,and both parents experience with the Ontario system it has been top notch and far better than the other countries I have dealt with.Health care in Canada is a provincial responsibility so I cant speak for those systems in place in the west,but I can see where it could be inferior to the east.

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I'm not sure about today, but in recent years a lot of people from Vancouver come down to Seattle for medical treatment so they don't have to wait in line for months in Canada. A friend of my mom's is one of them.

Its true,here if you have a little bo-bo you wont be going ahead of someone who actually needs a procedure just because you have more money.
No one in Canada would want that system.
And if you are rich and want to go somewhere else-your free to do so,but being rich wont get you preferential treatment here thank God.
That is the main reason life expectancy in Canada is 5 years more than in the USA.
You can have the best health care in the world but its useless for those who cant or wont access it because you are afraid it will leave you bankrupt and your family destitute.

Go try to make an appointment with a specialist on your own......wont happen you have to be referred. Wait times are insane. People are literally dying because of it. LOTS of Canadians are going south, some even to Mexico. Talk to a few paramedics who have to wait for hours in the ER before they can hand over their patients....those are the realities whether you believe them or not doesn't change the facts...

so Is it during these long waits that people check their marten traps?

Boco pointed out the reason I don't use magnum bodygrips. Break my fingers and the repair cost will bankrupt the family.