You should buy a lottery ticket

I thought the legislatures made laws and it's up to the Governor to see that are enforced. I can't believe that these edicts are legal, time will tell.

I don't gamble

I do find it kinda wierd they may let criminals free.

Guy I went to high school with has a young, (18-20?) daughter currently in ICU with Covid 19, if you still think this is a flu you're a moron.

Brian, the flu in 1918 killed 5% of the population.

So far Italy is the worst with 200 deaths per million people in the population. That is 1/200th of a percent. And that is Italy. We have 12 deaths per million. It is growing though. When it hits 10,000 per million we will be at 1 percent.

Percentage matters in chicken and hog farms ,or even mange in coyotes, but when its people with names and faces and close to home, numbers don't matter, to me anyway !

This thread got legs. Have we decided if to do what's right forfeits a right?

Maybe right to life is a broader concept than I can fathom. We've dealt with it 40 years and now it looks as if we are at the other end of the spectrum with old people. Put numbers on them and depersonalize them.

approaching 4000 dead and climbing

I finally read this whole thread(I have been trying to ignore it) and I just have one question for those who feel their rights are being infringed. If you get deathly ill from this are you going to stay home and treat yourself or are you going to the hospital and endanger all the healthcare workers who are trying to save you? Are you going to refuse a ventilator so that someone your group infected can have it or are you going to be screaming about your rights and saying me first? Some peoples concept of how special they are just floors me. I am also a nonbeliever but I do believe in doing what is best for my family,my neighbors and my country.

It’s interesting how you bring up the lives of our ancestors and the lives of their families but the lives being jeopardized from Cov19 are not important enough to take a month or two and not gather in large groups.
Nothing is being thrown away like useless trash, it’s simply making an adjustment because of a serious problem for a short amount of time to save “lives”

It is a good thing that WW11 came when Americans would be willing to sacrifice greatly in lifestyle, earnings, injury and lives when we had a generation that was willing do to what was needed to free us and the whole world. With 7 pages of posts it appears to me that we would be unwilling to give in for the common good today. When an individual's rights are more important than the collective rights of a nation to minimize a huge threat then the Constitution really has little meaning as we don't feel that the common good is less important then my own good.

Bryce

Here's a link to a very relevant article that appeared in today's Anchorage Daily News, (originally published by LA Times).

https://www.adn.com/nation-world/20...-members-have-covid-19-and-two-are-dead/

There were several contributing factors to create the "greatest generation." They may have combined to force my grandparents to unify for nationalistic reasons;
> The Bolsheviks led by Lenin came into power in 1917 and Europe and America would quack as a result as the "worker's party" efforts for the common man.
> Nationalistic fascists in Europe were rattling their political swords and while Americans probably didn't think it would be their fight if there was a fight, we would find this thinking inaccurate in the 1940's
> Over 50% of America's population was still rural. Today that number is under 15%
> Most did not have higher education and a large number were not high-school graduates.
> Today we are a culture of higher learning and with higher learning typically comes an attitude of higher individualistic thinking

The liberal theologians, in an attempt to "save" Christianity in America from the new savior of science, medical, and technology advances believed that Christianity could shift with culture and remain "relevant."
This theological logic, devised by great "educated" American thinkers modeling after noted German philosophers of the previous era, said that given enough time and resources, modern man could produce the utopia all were seeking. Since we as America, were the richest nation on earth, we had a head start!
This philosophy, still sitting with us at our tables today, would prove devastating to the faith of our nation, and in the 1880's - 1920's America experienced a marked drop in church attendance. The 1960's with Vietnam and other factors would seal the deal. American's walked out of the pulpits and church in record numbers.

Here we are today. As some read this thread and see sadness, I can sympathize. Selfishness is in all of us, some showing it more than others. But we're all in the same trapping canoe. Some may have paddles. Others insist we let them steer. Most insist government develop something or do something or send something. But "who" is government? Us.
Of, for, and by "Us,"... the people. My in-laws (wives and husbands of our children) often speak of government as if it's some entity. A thing. Naw... it's just people.

18 years ago, I gave my paddle to the One who made me and has had my name in His book before I was Psalms 139:15-18.
He held on to me, as He does many others, through a sincere love of Creation! What a wonderful gift.

Blessings y'all
Stay safe out there

Mark

I am glad and hopeful that the majority on this thread have and use common sense and are pretty intelligent. You will always have a few rebels and right fighters out there no matter what. I'd almost
bet if the majority on here thought what was done to the pastor was dead wrong all the right fighters would flip to the other side of the fence. Some people just like to argue. You can win an argument
with an intelligent person once in awhile, you will never win won with an ignorant one.

If the pastor needed to be arrested why are the parishioners not being arrested also? Seems a bit disingenuous to me, to only arrest one of the lawless horde instead of all of them .

Leadership is usually held to account.

Proverbs 26:4 ESV
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself.