Re: Hoarders and profiteers
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So a Individual I know was out looking for those sealable 5 gallon lids. He had the buckets but couldn't find any lids for them. You know why, the prepares were buying up the lids to store food and other items just In case.
He was looking for lids to ship some bait.
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Re: Hoarders and profiteers
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What should be done is voting Walz and Ellison out of office. Beav, the "preppers" already had that stuff. It's the johnny come latelys that are buying it up.
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Re: Hoarders and profiteers
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I don't know an attorney in Alaska that would work for anything less than $250.00 per hour that was worth his salt!
You get what you pay for .............. USUALLY !! I will say that in James' defense he has done work for me at a 100% trapper's discount. So let's not go down that road. It's no different than you or I selling our fur for as much as possible.
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Re: Hoarders and profiteers
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Well these are the new preppers. You done fishing?
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Re: Hoarders and profiteers
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I will say that in James' defense he has done work for me at a 100% trapper's discount. So let's not go down that road. It's no different than you or I selling our fur for as much as possible. agreed, except...James is the one complaining about how much one charges for their wares.
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Re: Hoarders and profiteers
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I will say that in James' defense he has done work for me at a 100% trapper's discount. So let's not go down that road. It's no different than you or I selling our fur for as much as possible. agreed, except...James is the one complaining about how much one charges for their wares. I don't think he is complaining. I think he is asking what......if anything......is the right thing to do. Clearly he doesn't like it in general....but he is considering the legal vs. ethical parameters of the question
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Re: Hoarders and profiteers
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Well these are the new preppers. You done fishing? Nope, still ice on the lake.
"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
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Re: Hoarders and profiteers
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In World War II, my cousin obtained a Japanese souvenir sword, or in other words he stole it from an abandoned house. He like other GI's were ordered to turn in all of that stuff. He said he saw later on the dock, another soldier selling that sword to outgoing GI's.
It is estimated that each corner in metropolitan cities, is worth 2 million dollars in drug trade. This money is then laundered, through franchises and into Wall Street. If you tried to sell narcotics, you would be shot by a gang or arrested by DEA.
The Chinese and Mexicans have numerous restaurants, which again, launder millions in dollar in foreign currency to the banks, who take their cut.
All of the above was and is carried out in full knowledge of the government. The difference between someone who hoards, and a company like 3M selling masks to foreign nations at huge profits, and refusing to sell to Americans is the connection to the government in sanctioning those actions for their kickbacks, whether it be jobs for the rotating group who serve in government and return to the private sector after paying things off. An example is John Kelly, of Homeland who ordered the legalized invasion of America, as the President was trying to close the borders. Kelly left the White House and was put on the board of company which makes profits dealing with the massive inflow of foreigners.
If you have the connections, like Joe Kennedy, you can sell booze out of Canada, launder the money into business, steal an election from Richard Nixon in 1960 and get away with it all. The problem with hoarders is they are too small and isolated, to not have paid off the police state, and are competition for those who have paid off the police state for their monopoly.
Someone was lamenting on here how sad it was that America couldn't get any masks produced. The reason they could not is there is money in having a monopoly by the few, enforced by the police state.
If you think all those masks from China, did not have some very powerful Americans investing in those companies, having shut down American production for their kickbacks in profits, you have no idea how this scam works. Why should a powerful person, invest in stock in 3M where they get a small dividend for a 30 dollar mask in America, that they have to report to the IRS, when they can be a blind investor in China, opening their exports to America, and that 30 dollar mask costs 30 cents to manufacture over there.
Hoarders? Cabelas has been ripping off Americans for years in manufacturing cheap in Asia and selling expensive in America. The American gun industry has been screwing Americans over in cheap manufacture of Turkish guns, in European owned companies of American brands.
If you are part of the system like Rush Limbaugh you get paid millions of dollars. If you are not part of the system you have to work like Jim to say the same things.
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Re: Hoarders and profiteers
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I don't know an attorney in Alaska that would work for anything less than $250.00 per hour that was worth his salt!
You get what you pay for .............. USUALLY !! I will say that in James' defense he has done work for me at a 100% trapper's discount. So let's not go down that road. It's no different than you or I selling our fur for as much as possible. I have had work done from an attorney and have charged very little and a few times they didn't charge me anything for advise. Like white said, we all try to get as much as we can for our product and work also.
Give me a fish, I will eat for a day. Teach me to fish, I will eat for a lifetime
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Re: Hoarders and profiteers
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One thing is certain, you need to be wealthy to launder large sums of cash.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Hoarders and profiteers
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Historically, profiteering is defined by charging more than 125% of the item’s price before the crisis began. Up to 25% increase is considered reasonable because of the special circumstances and increased costs because of the crisis.
Profiteering has been considered a form of treason, therefore the penalties for treason can be applied, including the death penalty.
So, will that happen to someone for selling toilet paper? It may depend if the prosecutor and judge could not get any toilet paper.
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Re: Hoarders and profiteers
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how much did you bill per hour, James? Savage! You stinkin Alaskans are lethal.
But you make a good point. The day I have to call a good lawyer it is basically a SHTF situation for me personally just like a lack of medical supplies tomorrow might be for thousands of other ppl. I'm guessing you are plenty clever enough to see my point as well
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Re: Hoarders and profiteers
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Lumberjack that shouldn't surprise me but it does. I deal with those type of lawyers on insurance claims all the time and they are the lowest of the low.
I also hired a good one to appear with me a couple of times. First depo he never sent me a bill so I stopped in and ask how much I owed. His front desk lady said she couldn't find my bill so she paged him. When he walked up to the front he greeted me and then told her to call his wife and see what the plumber had charged them for the new water heater. I laughed, he laughed, his office girl couldn't figure out if he was joking or not. He was a good lawyer, an honest man, and at least half comedian.
Ppl are ppl. Most suck but there are good ppl in every profession. Heck I used to basically give away a coyote every couple of weeks because Calps would flat out take care of my son or any other snot nosed kid who managed to catch his first coyote of a spotted tom.
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