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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: yoteguts] #6835143
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Originally Posted by yoteguts
Kirk just ordered the book. Very interested in this. I run a sloped trench set with the trap on a steep angle. Caught all age groups of yotes in it. All are buried up in the corner of the trap with about 2 out of 10 double footed. I did find that the dia of the hole per trap size was very important. Reckon the angle affects the magnetic field?


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6835146
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What about making a degaussing mechanism (coiled wire with electricity to it) like they do in aircraft and other factories? Just run your traps through it and neutralize the magnetism?

Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Lazarus] #6835154
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Originally Posted by Lazarus
What about making a degaussing mechanism (coiled wire with electricity to it) like they do in aircraft and other factories? Just run your traps through it and neutralize the magnetism?

I just don’t know whether that would work. If you read the book and understand how magnetic field works in a double door cage trap you will understand what I’m saying.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: cmcf] #6835521
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Originally Posted by cmcf
I believe that in scientific terms this is what is called a “control group or study “. Without a control, data or observations have a much lower value.
If you want to have an accurate study it will prove every time the study is completed this is how I would do it or how I did it. Test the magnetic field of every trap. Do your testing on land or in shallow water 4 to 6 inches deep. Use four double door traps that are 14 inches wide and at least 14 inches tall at the door. Go to at least 20 to 30 locations set the traps with lure between them.Set them preferably at least 5 feet out from the bank. Target beaver. At the same location have at least two 12 x 12 double door traps one with a low magnetic field reading going through the trap and one with a high magnetic field reading going into and through the trap. Set them on Crossovers on land trails. Pay close attention to refusals or go arounds.Record your results. The lower intensity traps will catch more in every trial that I’ve done. There are no exceptions. If your traps don’t have a reduced magnetic field intensity going through the trap you’re losing money.

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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6835737
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I’m the eternal skeptic so here goes.

I’ve successfully used the Pipe Dream set with metal screen just like Zagger does. If the screen is metal and touches the trap, the magnetic field would essentially be the same. Does the grass cover negate the magnetic charge?? That’s the part that makes me wonder. I don’t know the answer. But I’d bet there is more to it than just the magnetic field of the trap. For the time I used the pipe dream set last fall, my catch rate absolutely skyrocketed. I even had the screens scraped clean and removed meaning whatever sensed the trap or screen, took the time to expose it.

Could any of what you’ve seen be attributed to the dye, wax, water contaminants in boiling water? Anything the traps were stored in going to and from the trap sites? Did your vehicle exhaust system vent into the storage area of the truck box because it had a hole in it? In a controlled study, these things or things like them would have to be considered.

Testing to support your book can’t be done by you now. It would be a built in bias. Independent study, say, by Ron Jones or Yes Sir, or Mark Zagger, or somebody else we generally trust would have to do it.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Teacher] #6835782
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Originally Posted by Teacher
I’m the eternal skeptic so here goes.

I’ve successfully used the Pipe Dream set with metal screen just like Zagger does. If the screen is metal and touches the trap, the magnetic field would essentially be the same. Does the grass cover negate the magnetic charge?? That’s the part that makes me wonder. I don’t know the answer. But I’d bet there is more to it than just the magnetic field of the trap. For the time I used the pipe dream set last fall, my catch rate absolutely skyrocketed. I even had the screens scraped clean and removed meaning whatever sensed the trap or screen, took the time to expose it.

Could any of what you’ve seen be attributed to the dye, wax, water contaminants in boiling water? Anything the traps were stored in going to and from the trap sites? Did your vehicle exhaust system vent into the storage area of the truck box because it had a hole in it? In a controlled study, these things or things like them would have to be considered.

Testing to support your book can’t be done by you now. It would be a built in bias. Independent study, say, by Ron Jones or Yes Sir, or Mark Zagger, or somebody else we generally trust would have to do it.

The best way to answer your questions is to or for you to go back and read all my posts . Read the book. As far as someone to test the traps I would recommend Robert Waddell first Choice.DougMassey of Georgia Toby Hutchinson of Alabama and Paul Dobbins’s.Just do the testing yourself


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Lazarus] #6835802
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Current running through a coiled wire produces a magnetic field,not sure if it would cancel out an existing mag field. College physics was a long time ago!

Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: mike mason] #6835803
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Originally Posted by mike mason
Current running through a coiled wire produces a magnetic field,not sure if it would cancel out an existing mag field. College physics was a long time ago!

It creates a magnetic field I believe it’s on page 21 or 22 in my book.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Kirk De] #6835811
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Originally Posted by Kirk De
Originally Posted by mike mason
Current running through a coiled wire produces a magnetic field,not sure if it would cancel out an existing mag field. College physics was a long time ago!

It creates a magnetic field I believe it’s on page 21 or 22 in my book.
I believe I understand Lazarus was talking about. I just don’t believe it would work in this case.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Kirk De] #6835832
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Originally Posted by Kirk De
Originally Posted by mike mason
Current running through a coiled wire produces a magnetic field,not sure if it would cancel out an existing mag field. College physics was a long time ago!

It creates a magnetic field I believe it’s on page 21 or 22 in my book.


I'm not seeing that,Kirk.

Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Taximan] #6835858
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I don’t have access to my book right now.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: mike mason] #6836015
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Mike and Lazarus I did a little refresher on demagnetizing
The degaussing will work (strong AC current through an insulated wire wrapped around a steel loop) traps in center of loop while slowly reducing current level to zero .
My memory was telling me a couple sharp raps with a metal hammer would diminish the magnitude of the magnetism. It does this by scrambling the atoms electrons out of the pattern that a magnet has. So brace the side of the base plate on a block of hardwood strike sharply with a medium size drift pin. Less mass =higher speed = more shock with less distortion. Two strikes on each side and on each end of the base plate. Then set trap and dry fire two times. The jaws smacking together will take care of their magnetic field. CAUTION! DO NOT DRY FIRE CAST JAWS They may break causing bigger problems.

And theeeeer ya go demagnetized traps!!!

Full disclosure I will not be doing this to any of my traps.
Nor will I be heating them to decoalessence about 1150F another way to demagnetize.

Hard on the springs don’t ya know.

Instead I will continue to set on sign and catch critters.
And the ones I don’t catch will be left for seed. And I’ll scratch my head and say HUH looked like a good spot. Y’all have a goodun and stay well.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6836032
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Dang it now I have AMAZON trying to sell me Kirk’s book!! Guess I’ll have to deguasse the phone to stop sending out LURES for pop ups! LoL.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: cmcf] #6836042
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Originally Posted by cmcf
Mike and Lazarus I did a little refresher on demagnetizing
The degaussing will work (strong AC current through an insulated wire wrapped around a steel loop) traps in center of loop while slowly reducing current level to zero .
My memory was telling me a couple sharp raps with a metal hammer would diminish the magnitude of the magnetism. It does this by scrambling the atoms electrons out of the pattern that a magnet has. So brace the side of the base plate on a block of hardwood strike sharply with a medium size drift pin. Less mass =higher speed = more shock with less distortion. Two strikes on each side and on each end of the base plate. Then set trap and dry fire two times. The jaws smacking together will take care of their magnetic field. CAUTION! DO NOT DRY FIRE CAST JAWS They may break causing bigger problems.

And theeeeer ya go demagnetized traps!!!

Full disclosure I will not be doing this to any of my traps.
Nor will I be heating them to decoalessence about 1150F another way to demagnetize.

Hard on the springs don’t ya know.

Instead I will continue to set on sign and catch critters.
And the ones I don’t catch will be left for seed. And I’ll scratch my head and say HUH looked like a good spot. Y’all have a goodun and stay well.
Wouldn’t the springs just bring the field back no matter what you did to the trap itself.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Kirk De] #6836093
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I don't believe so,only if and electric current was induced to the springs.

Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: mike mason] #6836134
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Originally Posted by mike mason
I don't believe so,only if and electric current was induced to the springs.
How it doesn’t really matter because what I have written is true. If followed will dramatically increase your catch.What device you use does not matter what I have written is true,And will still be represented as I said.Helping the industry is all that matters.I know that I’ve done that.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6836289
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I see this info as something I'm going to sit with a while and figure out how I can apply it to my trapping. Yes, everybody should keep setting on sign. That's obvious. But if I can be mindful of all the ways animals interpret the world and use it to my advantage once in a while, I see that as a win.

Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: MNCedar] #6836498
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Originally Posted by MNCedar
I see this info as something I'm going to sit with a while and figure out how I can apply it to my trapping. Yes, everybody should keep setting on sign. That's obvious. But if I can be mindful of all the ways animals interpret the world and use it to my advantage once in a while, I see that as a win.

I agree, as much as I get schooled I'll take any advantage I can find.

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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Yes sir] #6836699
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
Originally Posted by MNCedar
I see this info as something I'm going to sit with a while and figure out how I can apply it to my trapping. Yes, everybody should keep setting on sign. That's obvious. But if I can be mindful of all the ways animals interpret the world and use it to my advantage once in a while, I see that as a win.

I agree, as much as I get schooled I'll take any advantage I can find.

I reviewed what was said I went back in my mind over all the testing that I had done. I believe the whole keys with everything is the ability to measure the magnetic field. The use of a magnetometer to measure the field. What I discovered in the first place. That’s the whole key. Demagnetizations would not be the route to go. You all were telling me by the comments that you made.I’ll try to explain later.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6837377
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I bought your book when it first came out, and it's intriguing.

I'll have to read it again!

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