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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Kirk De] #6845687
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An example that may make a difference would be if you had a single door trap that had a high intensity reading over the pan. You probably could take the trap if it was being avoided and place it in water that would just cover the pan. The water would mask the intensity of the field the animimal would be more likelyTo go in.
Another example would be if you have the same trap you might be able to place something over the panThat is dielectric. It might be a type of a shingle or a board that would prevent the magnetic field from radiating off of the pan. Some trappers do this saying that animal doesn’t wanna step on the pan. They are correct except for the animal doesn’t wanna get near the pan. Blocking the field will hide what he’s fearful of.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6845744
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I think that the bigger the opening the easier It Is for the critter to enter and has nothing to do with a magnetic field.
The yellow pan on the mouse trap has more site appeal.

When I trapped coon I trail set with 220s. Then the 220s were out lawed and you had to have them enclosed. The enclosure had to be 30" long and no more then a 100 square Inch opening 30" X10"X10" guess what my catch ratio sky rocketed. Why It was because I was now funneling those coon Into that trap. But I still had refusals so I decided to bend the law a bit. I built my enclosures 12" high and 10" wide but placed a 2" strip of fencing across the bottom to get me back to the 10"X 10" legal opening. What that did was to let the coon walk Into that enclosure with out bending over. I don't know If that increased the magnetic field or lessened It, and I could care less because It increased my coon catch by a higher margin. The ease of entry Is what It's all about.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6845767
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I have a friend that has a 500 acre farm that raised nothing but hay and nearly 30 hives of bees and did so for as long as I can remember. He was approached about 10 years ago about leasing his fields for beans and corn, they sprayed Roundup and within 5 years he had lost nearly every hive that he had and the colonys that were left suffered great losses. 3 years ago went back to hay in the fields and no Roundup close by and his colonys are increasing and back to healthy bees, just because a court makes a ruling doesn't mean that they are correct.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: thumper3181] #6845773
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Originally Posted by thumper3181
I have a friend that has a 500 acre farm that raised nothing but hay and nearly 30 hives of bees and did so for as long as I can remember. He was approached about 10 years ago about leasing his fields for beans and corn, they sprayed Roundup and within 5 years he had lost nearly every hive that he had and the colonys that were left suffered great losses. 3 years ago went back to hay in the fields and no Roundup close by and his colonys are increasing and back to healthy bees, just because a court makes a ruling doesn't mean that they are correct.

I live in the largest agricultural county in the state of Georgia. There are bee hives every square mile farmers keep them there because of the produce cotton and peanuts and corn. I’ve never heard them complain about the bees not being enough caused by round up.The average farmer their farms over 3000 acres in our production levels are higher than anywhere in the state.They all use round up

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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Kirk De] #6845812
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Originally Posted by Kirk De
Originally Posted by thumper3181
I have a friend that has a 500 acre farm that raised nothing but hay and nearly 30 hives of bees and did so for as long as I can remember. He was approached about 10 years ago about leasing his fields for beans and corn, they sprayed Roundup and within 5 years he had lost nearly every hive that he had and the colonys that were left suffered great losses. 3 years ago went back to hay in the fields and no Roundup close by and his colonys are increasing and back to healthy bees, just because a court makes a ruling doesn't mean that they are correct.


I live in the largest agricultural county in the state of Georgia. There are bee hives every square mile farmers keep them there because of the produce cotton and peanuts and corn. I’ve never heard them complain about the bees not being enough caused by round up.The average farmer their farms over 3000 acres in our production levels are higher than anywhere in the state.They all use round up



Chemicals do affect bee's. I have a chemical applicators license. In the instruction class you're taught not to apply at times of the day when bee's are most active, especially with the liquid formulas. So if applied at the right times, it can greatly reduce the effects on bees. So if applied at right times, which farmers may be doing in Kirk's area, may explain why he doesn't see the losses to colonies.

Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: silkyplainscoyot] #6845828
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I was going to give the same answer about the bees


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: The Beav] #6845952
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Originally Posted by The Beav
I think that the bigger the opening the easier It Is for the critter to enter and has nothing to do with a magnetic field.
The yellow pan on the mouse trap has more site appeal.

When I trapped coon I trail set with 220s. Then the 220s were out lawed and you had to have them enclosed. The enclosure had to be 30" long and no more then a 100 square Inch opening 30" X10"X10" guess what my catch ratio sky rocketed. Why It was because I was now funneling those coon Into that trap. But I still had refusals so I decided to bend the law a bit. I built my enclosures 12" high and 10" wide but placed a 2" strip of fencing across the bottom to get me back to the 10"X 10" legal opening. What that did was to let the coon walk Into that enclosure with out bending over. I don't know If that increased the magnetic field or lessened It, and I could care less because It increased my coon catch by a higher margin. The ease of entry Is what It's all about.

I used to believe same as you. When I tested all of my traps I found it to be differently. I mean tested by testing the magnetic field. My patents allowed me to make traps that are three and four doors. They are almost open all the way around. I had side door traps I tested that are completely open on the side that I tested.
As long as I was targeting animals that are responsive to the magnetic field I would never know without doing testing with the magnetometer.The magnetometer Always showed me where the deficiencies were.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6846258
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Kirk I’m curious if your observations would predict a reaction from animals in the presence of strong magnets, like just a regular strong permanent magnet or a magnetized piece of steel, and if you do predict a reaction, what reaction would you predict? You already know I have a lot of footage of mink, beaver, coyote, and fox appearing to pay no attention whatever to magnets and magnetized steel, so I’m not trying to have any gotcha moment, I’m trying to understand the science behind what you are saying, and how it might contradict or not contradict my observations.

Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: loosanarrow] #6846368
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Originally Posted by loosanarrow
Kirk I’m curious if your observations would predict a reaction from animals in the presence of strong magnets, like just a regular strong permanent magnet or a magnetized piece of steel, and if you do predict a reaction, what reaction would you predict? You already know I have a lot of footage of mink, beaver, coyote, and fox appearing to pay no attention whatever to magnets and magnetized steel, so I’m not trying to have any gotcha moment, I’m trying to understand the science behind what you are saying, and how it might contradict or not contradict my observations.


If you make a double door cage trap that has a lower intensity induction of the earth where you’re at going through the trap that’s what you want. If you take a magnet and attach it to one of the doors on either end it will change the field Changing the direction of the negative and positive ions. In most cases it will be negative change as far as being harmful By creating positive ions changing the direction of the flow of the traps Negative ions. This creates a field that is felt And seen by some animals In a very negative way. They seem to be able to tell that the positive ions or harming their body and the body of their friends or other animals like themselves. I explain why it takes place in my book or at least how I think it takes place.
You can take a pyramid trap and place a strong magnet at the top of the trap At the apex. It increases the production of the negative ions being pulled into the trap at a uniform flow Because of the design of the Apex in relationship to the trap. It produces a calming affect for the animal but because of the strong positive ion flow from the corners at the bottom it can be Like a beacon to a coyote or a dog. I was told by an electrical engineer that It could actually be dangerous as a lightning attractor in a thunderstorm. Killing any animal that might be in the trap. I have tried grounding traps and it doesn’t work. Depending on the trap in most cases it’s just rearranges the flow of the negative and positive ions radiating off the trap. That can be very helpful with a foothold but doesn’t seem to make a difference in the cage trap.
A magnet by itself seems to have no or get no response. There has to be a field created for there to be a negative or positive result.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6846815
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The biggest coon I caught this year were in 8x8 cage traps using Jonesie’s baiting strategy. These were top trip, brand new, galvanized metal Ztraps I bought a year ago. Some were in excess of 28 pounds.

I believe being positioned up wind of trails, baited like Jonesie taught me at school, made a difference. I’m sure those coon saw the trap as something new in their environment and smelled that open door. But I’m sure they liked the bait enough to want more of it and wandered in.

I’ve taken too many fox in 220s, beavers and otters in 330s to think the magnetic field was a turn off.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6846837
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I'm still in the process of my testing to determine if coyotes can detect footholds but so far id say "for the most part" a buried foothold will have some influence on how a coyote works a set. My belief is not all individuals respond or react the same way. To improve sometimes its more about the ones we don't catch than the ones we do. I've done a good amount of bait and lure testing down holes without traps and it sure seems to easier to get them to work a set without a trap than with a trap and thats why I'm doing the test I am. If and how they know something is wrong when a trap is set there i won't speculate yet.

Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Yes sir] #6846866
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What seems to be left out is one of the biggest factors affecting what I’ve been saying. That is the weather. The climate where you are trapping.The magnetic induction of the area where are you trapping. If I trapped the way trappers trap in Wisconsin where I live I would catch 10 times fewer animals.

I can’t explain everything on these threads. So I wrote it down. Where I live and where I trap,Water temperatures are about 70° in the winter daytime temperatures get as high as 85° in the last few years on a regular basis. Magnetic field if it’s high intensity field causes all those factors to really make a difference. Many folks planted corn in the garden in February this year. It is a good thing for yes sir to test and I thank him for it. He’s going to find that warm temperatures make a tremendous difference in the response that an animal has to set.Even more of a test difference if he tested below or south of Cordele Georgia.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6846932
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I’m South of Cordele and have no issues catching critters on untrapped properties. Tempted to even try a cage trap at one property next year just to see if I can get a coyote, bobcat, or fox in it.

I use MB550’s only. I use dirt hole and pipe dream sets with screen and without. Don’t have much luck with scent post sets, or may be the fact I don’t set many.

Each property will have a soil content of hard red clay that even a 20v drill and a 3” auger can’t penetrate when it‘a dry, to sweet dark regular old dirt that you wish was over the entire property.

I trap from Dec-Aug. Winter is the easiest to trap due to how the critters react and their needs. Dirt holes rule because baits (natural and commercial) can be used. Once it warms, ants become the biggest issue. Just my belief, but I don’t think a critter is gonna dig through an ant bed unless it’s really desperate.

During the warmer months I’m on a place that’s been trapped for the last 16 years by much better trappers than I’ll ever hope to be, but I’m still learning. During the warmer months I’ve found that pipe dream sets are the way to produce catches. I’ve tested that theory so far this year and only 25% of my traps are producing...pipe dream sets without screen (I’m out and can’t find any). I’ve now switched over to 75% pipes and 25% dirt holes...we will see.

I’ve yet to see a difference in any critters reaction to any set on what would be perceived as magnetic interference. Only reactions I see are based on time of year, needs of the critters, amount of critters, etc...

Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Wanna Be] #6846955
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
I’m South of Cordele and have no issues catching critters on untrapped properties. Tempted to even try a cage trap at one property next year just to see if I can get a coyote, bobcat, or fox in it.

I use MB550’s only. I use dirt hole and pipe dream sets with screen and without. Don’t have much luck with scent post sets, or may be the fact I don’t set many.

Each property will have a soil content of hard red clay that even a 20v drill and a 3” auger can’t penetrate when it‘a dry, to sweet dark regular old dirt that you wish was over the entire property.

I trap from Dec-Aug. Winter is the easiest to trap due to how the critters react and their needs. Dirt holes rule because baits (natural and commercial) can be used. Once it warms, ants become the biggest issue. Just my belief, but I don’t think a critter is gonna dig through an ant bed unless it’s really desperate.

During the warmer months I’m on a place that’s been trapped for the last 16 years by much better trappers than I’ll ever hope to be, but I’m still learning. During the warmer months I’ve found that pipe dream sets are the way to produce catches. I’ve tested that theory so far this year and only 25% of my traps are producing...pipe dream sets without screen (I’m out and can’t find any). I’ve now switched over to 75% pipes and 25% dirt holes...we will see.

I’ve yet to see a difference in any critters reaction to any set on what would be perceived as magnetic interference. Only reactions I see are based on time of year, needs of the critters, amount of critters, etc...

You just made the case that magnetic fields are affecting the animals. The set you’re using would represent the best set to use in conditions like you trap to reduce the magnetic fields influence.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6847008
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First off I bought your book. Interesting, but at no time in its pages 60 plus pages or the 11 pages of this thread do you ever say how to fix this problem. If the only applicable advice you offer is to Power Bed with Nails, then I wasted a ton of time. I don't care about cage traps. Just snares and leg holds.

Also what does Monsanto have to do with trapping???

Thanks for any insite.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Cootswatter] #6847092
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Originally Posted by Cootswatter
First off I bought your book. Interesting, but at no time in its pages 60 plus pages or the 11 pages of this thread do you ever say how to fix this problem. If the only applicable advice you offer is to Power Bed with Nails, then I wasted a ton of time. I don't care about cage traps. Just snares and leg holds.

Also what does Monsanto have to do with trapping???

Thanks for any insite.


On page 10 there’s several examples that you can do to correct the problem.
You have to understand how magnetic fields affect all the different devices to determine the best approach for your situation. By knowing how it affects all of the devices as well as understanding how it affects other situations that I mentioned in the back of the book with round up is the only way to really understand how to adjust to the situation.

There are several examples in the threads on Trapperman that show you how to fix the problem. I have mentioned several times why methods work without a magnetometer you would never know. Without reading the information given in my book you would never know. Example are posts made showing why the sets work. One of those examples would be what I posted about pipedream Set s on other threads. There was a thread on snares posted several weeks ago that confirmed what I said in the book how to correct problems with snares. What I said in my book backed up what snare methods were used as being the best.
I have said in other post you may need read Several times the whole book to understand it.I can’t make you understand it. I know I had to read several scientific studies many times before I understood.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6847099
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It looks like this has become a book selling thread.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Kirk De] #6847107
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How i confirmed what I learned was that every time I came in contact with a trapper trapping device I pulled my magnetometer out of my pocket and saw what the device read.Where the high points were in the low points were.I went in stores as I showed in examples in the book.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: The Beav] #6847119
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Originally Posted by The Beav
It looks like this has become a book selling thread.

I’ll tell you what I’ll do Beav I’ll donate all of the income from the book to the NTA that I have received if I’m proven wrong in four years. If I’m proven right you have to donate the same amount of money to the NTA
The information will help too many people not just trappers. It will affect too many lives not to be understood.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6847137
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it's going to take you 4 years to prove this? I haven't got that much time left.


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