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Re: Self created food shortage [Re: Canvasback2] #6866707
05/08/20 01:07 PM
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Do you think those farmers that had to dump milk lost any money?


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Re: Self created food shortage [Re: tlguy] #6866709
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Originally Posted by tlguy
I'd gladly go to work on a farm if it paid the bills. Think they'll pay $20/hr? $15/hr? Or more like $5/hr?

Keep your zipper up and you can still cowboy for x$ a month plus room and board.
It's a very simple life, you won't have many bills.

Re: Self created food shortage [Re: dkrug] #6866711
05/08/20 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by dkrug
Originally Posted by tlguy
I'd gladly go to work on a farm if it paid the bills. Think they'll pay $20/hr? $15/hr? Or more like $5/hr?

Keep your zipper up and you can still cowboy for x$ a month plus room and board.
It's a very simple life, you won't have many bills.


Too late for my zipper, don't think my wife and daughter would care for me leaving to become a cowboy.

Re: Self created food shortage [Re: Canvasback2] #6866715
05/08/20 01:14 PM
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Considering that one ca not buy any freezers on the east coast and at a wild guess people are not storing all that toilet paper hey bought in all those freezers, I don't think that there is a real food shortage any time soon.


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Re: Self created food shortage [Re: Canvasback2] #6866716
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It's what happens when government steps in and makes it more lucrative for people not to work than to take these types of jobs. [/quote]
X2

And farm bail outs .......why not just plow it under[/quote]

Forced Socialism, ( ie, government control ) not unlike the stimulus money every one is expecting in their bank account or mail box..Dollar just got worth a little less and the price of everything just went up. If it's available at all. We are being tested folks. We are failing and the one world power is winning. Go ahead and vote for more free sh*t..


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Re: Self created food shortage [Re: Canvasback2] #6866789
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And farm bail outs .......why not just plow it under[/quote]

Also why farms plant acres and acres of corn when it sells for under production cost.

Re: Self created food shortage [Re: Canvasback2] #6866795
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Vegetables are the most labor intensive and time sensitive crop there is. If you don't have the people to pick it at the exact right time its all junk. If your market can't handle what you produce at that exact time then there is no value even if you can get it picked.

The farmers in my township grow a massive amount of vegetables. Probably enough to dump 5 semi loads of tomatoes and cabbage in every houses yard. If the supply chain is broken or the cole slaw and tomato canning factories would close there would be no other way to market such a large amount of produce in such a short time. There really is no other choice than to just disc it in and hope for better circumstances next crop. Its not unusual to see hundreds of acres of cabbage plowed under every year.

I'm sure they would be happy to sell you some cabbage. How many semi loads of cole slaw do you want to make?

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Re: Self created food shortage [Re: Scuba1] #6866856
05/08/20 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Scuba1
Considering that one can not buy any freezers on the east coast and at a wild guess people are not storing all that toilet paper hey bought in all those freezers, I don't think that there is a real food shortage any time soon.


Very intelligent. With no place to store the hoarded beef/chicken/pork in cold storage , it will limit the hoarding. You can stack TP to the ceiling as I bet a few have done , but you only have so much space for perishable goods.

Good comment , Scuba1

This is actually a good thing , limiting how much one can have , limits how fast it sells out and lessens the demand on the supply chain.


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Re: Self created food shortage [Re: Canvasback2] #6866866
05/08/20 05:35 PM
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Yeah that makes me sick for what ever the reasons are... I used to pick strawberries for 5 cents a quart at the end of the day you got paid for the berries you picked and a quart of straw berries. I used to go to the potato fields after they were dug and picked up the ones that the harvester missed. I would over a few days get a couple hundred pounds of potatoes. Some of them not much bigger than a silver dollar, but they all tasted the same when they were fried or mashed. I road my bicycle miles, with an oversized basket on front and a potato crate strapped to the back. I bet there are still a lot of people that would do that sort of thing if they had the opportunity and was hungry enough. I seemed as I was always hungry growing up. Twenty minutes after a meal I was hungry. Times have changed and a lot of people have changed, but there are still some people that are humble enough to do things like that. Just my two cents worth.

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Re: Self created food shortage [Re: Canvasback2] #6866921
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Originally Posted by Canvasback2
With all the people out of work, put them out in the fields and start them plowing !!!

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They did that in Canada in 1902. They can do it in 2020 !



Them Canada lads dressed up like girls even back then.I see Bozo,hes the fourth one in from the right.Tickbites last in line and Geriatric Park is right in the middle.


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Re: Self created food shortage [Re: Canvasback2] #6866980
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Geriatric Park...LMAO. I guess we can all go the extra distance and tan, match, cut, sew, distribute, and sell our fur coats instead of basically giving them away? I was debating tossing the last 15 or so furs I have left instead of driving them 7 miles to the pickup point.....

Re: Self created food shortage [Re: Canvasback2] #6866988
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UpstateNY those were all the plow masters wives.

Actor you now just use a pair of binoculars and watch the picker and the truck pick-up and when they make a corner.......1000 pounds go on the ground.
Otherwise there is always a back-up plan in the back of the truck, of a Fluid replacement 12 pac to offer at the end of the day...and they empty the conveyer belt at the end of the night.

Re: Self created food shortage [Re: Canvasback2] #6866999
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I know of a man and all he does is raise produce , and I know a guy that works for him. The farmer plants around 100 acres of different produce , he plants over 1000 cabbage plants , I don't know how many pepper plants . I want to say 5 acres of potatoes , and I don't remember the other stuff he grows. He will bring a truck load of produce to the local flea market and he will go home empty handed , or he will drop off what is left to another guy that sells produce.

Re: Self created food shortage [Re: Canvasback2] #6867011
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100 acres is a hobbie farm.

Re: Self created food shortage [Re: walleye101] #6867016
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You have hundreds of acres of veggies ripening at one time or nearly so and you are going to pay pickers to pick the bulk of those and have enough roadside traffic to cover all those costs? Also not all crops have insurance programs you can use to cover losses. The farmer may have alternative options for the acres and working in a crop that will take weeks to harvest and remove lessens other options that may not be good but better than trying to sell huge volumes from a country road in a rural area.

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Re: Self created food shortage [Re: Northof50] #6867198
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Originally Posted by Northof50
UpstateNY those were all the plow masters wives.

Actor you now just use a pair of binoculars and watch the picker and the truck pick-up and when they make a corner.......1000 pounds go on the ground.
Otherwise there is always a back-up plan in the back of the truck, of a Fluid replacement 12 pac to offer at the end of the day...and they empty the conveyer belt at the end of the night.


Now I don't have the opportunity to watch … I believe everyplace I did that type of work or gathering is buried under housing developments... the point I was trying to make was there should be people out there that would be willing to reap what they could from someone else's loss, if they had the opportunity. But, maybe not today, everybody has 2 cars and a pickup, house, a boat, a 4 wheeler and suv or camper they are paying for. Both the husband and wife have to work and they are still broke and they are so in tune with this lifestyle they don't know how to grub for what they need. Notice... I said what they need, not what they want.

Cheers...

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Re: Self created food shortage [Re: Canvasback2] #6867231
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I can't help but giggle at the irony of it all. Get a pandemic with a pulmonary disease. So folks buy up all the toilet paper they can get their hands on .... now a looming food shortage. people that don't eat don't poop. I bet ya could earn some money these days teaching origami with all the bored people sitting at home with tons of paper


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Re: Self created food shortage [Re: bblwi] #6867243
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Originally Posted by bblwi
You have hundreds of acres of veggies ripening at one time or nearly so and you are going to pay pickers to pick the bulk of those and have enough roadside traffic to cover all those costs? Also not all crops have insurance programs you can use to cover losses. The farmer may have alternative options for the acres and working in a crop that will take weeks to harvest and remove lessens other options that may not be good but better than trying to sell huge volumes from a country road in a rural area.

Bryce

Amen -- wish i could articulate my words better.

Re: Self created food shortage [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #6867276
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
Originally Posted by walleye101
"they got caught in WI"
Were those folks working for NAFA?


no Nafa was in Stoughton S-central WI this was SE WI
https://fox6now.com/2019/05/29/its-...bor-at-farms-in-kenosha-racine-counties/

Ha! Thanks for sharing. Spent plenty of time at Brozinskis. My dad lives on Kraut Rd across from the original farm. I remember as a kid all the immigrants in the grounds. Cabage is still a manual planting. Learned Spanish hanging out with the kids on Sundays. They would pay one family the wage of one peraon. 4.75 hr for a family of 4.

Re: Self created food shortage [Re: Canvasback2] #6867316
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There is not the market required for roadside stands to work on that scale. These farms are producing to feed the world not just a few of their neighbors. Are 8 million people from NYC going to make the drive to a roadside stand in Florida to buy fresh from the field tomatoes? I think not. This problem is not the farmers fault. Processing, packaging and distribution have become highly industrialized to provide food that is cheap and available. Problem seems to be that although that has worked for the most part, it has also made the system to highly inflexible to handle the sudden shift in market needs that we are seeing now.

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