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Re: POTUS Taking Hydroxychloroquine [Re: Rat Masterson] #6877737
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I thought gin came in tonic, learn something new everyday.


grin


The difference between animals and humans is that animals would never let the dumbest ones lead the pack.
Re: POTUS Taking Hydroxychloroquine [Re: white17] #6879224
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Originally Posted by white17
He certainly is a Hillary fan but I don't see how he has a conflict of interest because he is on a committee at the Gates Foundation. What am I missing ?

Sorry I took so long to answer , but here's 100,000,000 reasons .Armstrong Economics

Re: POTUS Taking Hydroxychloroquine [Re: beeman] #6879255
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What does a man who has more money than 6-7 generations of his can spend ?
Prestige .
If he " cures " the world with his vaccines , he won't be the only one who thinks he's some kind of God .
It's not always about the money .

Re: POTUS Taking Hydroxychloroquine [Re: Art S] #6879267
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Originally Posted by Art S
Originally Posted by white17
He certainly is a Hillary fan but I don't see how he has a conflict of interest because he is on a committee at the Gates Foundation. What am I missing ?

Sorry I took so long to answer , but here's 100,000,000 reasons .Armstrong Economics



Unfortunately Art, the article loses all credibility when it says........" It is Gates who wants to inject us all with microchips.." And.............."these people typically also OWN the SEC"


Armstrong:

"Martin Arthur Armstrong (born November 1, 1949) is an American self-taught[1] economic forecaster and convicted felon who spent 11 years in jail for cheating investors out of $700 million and hiding $15 million in assets from regulators.[1] "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_A._Armstrong





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Re: POTUS Taking Hydroxychloroquine [Re: beeman] #6879292
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I posted that article to show Gates gave the money to NIH not to promote a chip conspiracy .
How about this one , no mention of chips
You can argue that there is no globalist / nationalist conflict going on , but that would be a different discussion .
Warning , the article is from a right leaning site , doesn't change the fact that Fauci is saying
a vaccine is our only hope .
Has there ever been a flu vaccine that was 100 percent effective ? <--- Real question .

Re: POTUS Taking Hydroxychloroquine [Re: beeman] #6879312
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To my knowledge there is no flu vaccine that is 100 % effective....but I don't think that is necessary. A certain percentage of protection would help a great deal. There ARE vaccines that are 100% so it's not out of the realm of possibility. Realistically, I doubt that will happen.

Gates actually gave only 20 million to WHO and 20 million to CDC.The other 60 million went to CEPI.

I'm no fan of Fauci at all. He has clearly said a lot of contradictory things. On the other hand, what we know, or think we know, about the virus is constantly changing. So I would have to cut any medical researcher some slack. They certainly know more than I do.

What I don't understand is the movement to demonize Bill Gates. It seems to me that he is trying to help while in no way trying to benefit personally. He is actually trying to give away his fortune, not make more money.

I don't believe there is any globalist agenda at work here. Some geopolitical actors will certainly take advantage of any perceived weaknesses.

I do believe that Fauci has a political view of this and it's pretty obvious that blue state governors are only trying to make things worse.......for political reasons. IMO


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Re: POTUS Taking Hydroxychloroquine [Re: Art S] #6879318
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Originally Posted by Art S
I posted that article to show Gates gave the money to NIH not to promote a chip conspiracy .
How about this one , no mention of chips
You can argue that there is no globalist / nationalist conflict going on , but that would be a different discussion .
Warning , the article is from a right leaning site , doesn't change the fact that Fauci is saying
a vaccine is our only hope .
Has there ever been a flu vaccine that was 100 percent effective ? <--- Real question .



In response to the other link just above.

This is from the article;

"The truth is that President Donald Trump is locked in an intense power struggle with Bill Gates, who is pushing his vaccines, which may not be available to the public until after November’s election. "


Bill Gates has no vaccines. He owns no patents on vaccines. The fact is that he purchases millions of doses of existing vaccines and donates them to poorer areas of the world.

Just an observation about the origins of your link.

National File is closely associated with Alex Jones and Info Wars. To me, that equals conspiracy theory stuff.


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Re: POTUS Taking Hydroxychloroquine [Re: beeman] #6879330
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I think we agree more than disagree ,I'm not trying to demonize Gates if that's what it seems ,
Just trying to point out there is a conflict when it comes to Fauci calling the shots .
If the mainstream media actually investigated and weren't so anti anything Trump
I wouldn't be posting secondary sites .

Re: POTUS Taking Hydroxychloroquine [Re: beeman] #6879345
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I understand you aren't demonizing Gates . But there clearly is a large effort to promote untrue stuff about the guy. What I don't understand is WHY ?? Envy is the only answer I can come up with.

I still don't think Fauci has a conflict. He is a government employee. If Gates or anyone else allocates money to CDC or NIH Fauci's paycheck stays the same. I WON'T be surprised to see him retire and take a job at CNN or MSNBC at a much higher salary. But that won't have anything to do with Gates.

I agree with you about the MSM but there are still a lot of avenues for fairly reliable information available without going to the dark side laugh


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Those were the first 2 I found that didn't require a subscription ,
there was one from Forbes if you look it up .
Google is actively banning / removing anything that goes against the official narrative so those
probably won't be there for long .
As far as Fauci's pay not changing , kickbacks are real and very commonplace ,
not stating that that is happening without proof , but just saying .

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I have never found Forbes to NOT have a political point of view. It's a a lot different publication than it was in the 1960's

Google is wholly untrustworthy IMO

I would be super amazed to find kickbacks where Gates is involved. Fauci maybe, but not Gates


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I said Fauci , one post up .
What on earth could anyone offer Gates as a kickback ?

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LOL TRUE.

I was assuming that you meant Fauci might be taking kickbacks from Gates. I don't see that as likely


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Me either ,
but this whole thing stinks of a political stench ,
not saying the virus isn't real , but the response sure has been .

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lots of questions and questionable behaviors


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Purpose of vaccine is to trick body into developing antibodies to fight the virus. Getting sick and getting better also develops antibodies.

Dr. Birx was on TV today and mentioned that there are a lot of people who might be walking around that are asymptomatic and shedding virus, so would be a threat to us all. She had a bunch of other statistics too, which at this point are nice to know.....looking backwards to see how far off they have been.

What she didn't say, and nobody seems to know......is how many people.....just like the one's she was describing, have already been sick....recovered and never even knew they were sick. Those folks now have the antibodies, do not need a vaccine and are no longer a threat to themselves or anyone else.

What somebody in charge ought to be doing puking up is some statistics on antibody tests. At this state in the game, it is the only thing that matters.

What if upwards of 50% of the population has already been vaccinated by the virus itself?

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One problem is that we do not at this point know whether the antibodies provide any protection at all, and if they do, for how long .

I think, based on what little I understand about the biology of any virus, and our bodies, it would be unusual if SOME amount of immunity was not generated by having the illness. But how long does it take to acquire that immunity, what degree of immunity does it provide, and how long does it last ?


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I've also heard the tests are bad.......and granted, some of them probably are. But at least 5 have been approved by the FDA......and for monitoring the general population......accurate enough.

But as for the validity of the tests.......if a large number of folks have the antibodies.......it means the virus itself is not a threat to the overall population at large. Birx herself just today was showing numbers from the most heavily affected communities, and except for one local in NJ, most of them were 5% or less. That isn't enough threat to continue tanking the economy. Stock market rallied nearly 3% in one day earlier this week on announcement that a bio company had tested a vaccine and nobody (100%) did not get sick or have any adverse reactions. Buried deep was the fact that only 8 of 45 .....less than 20%.....had developed antibodies. Are those antibodies any different than what the virus itself develops?

So in all the noise about "RIGHTS" (constitutional)......what ought be argued is right......as in right and wrong. If a significant % of any population already has the antibodies.......then there is no justification for keeping things locked down. Things can be safely opened up.......as in wide open.

Unless a politician has an agenda to follow........tanking the economy on purpose. But that will be on them and it will be found out.

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BTW, if it proves to be only 10%......or 80%.....in either case it matters. But what really matters is to know which. At this point in the game, nothing, absolutely nothing is more important.

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Originally Posted by charles
Since taking Lysol and Clorox, the ring in my toilet bowl has disappeared.


We flush our toilets in the north and clean them to avoid the ring.


No Jab.
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