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another debt increase #6910011
06/25/20 06:42 AM
06/25/20 06:42 AM
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Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: another debt increase [Re: danny clifton] #6910018
06/25/20 06:49 AM
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Are you surprised?


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
Re: another debt increase [Re: danny clifton] #6910023
06/25/20 06:54 AM
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Buying votes like a Democrat.

Re: another debt increase [Re: danny clifton] #6910117
06/25/20 08:45 AM
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I don’t agree with the stimulus checks or the increases in unemployment benefits. Of course we have record high unemployment, we are paying most unemployed workers more not to work than they made while working. How do you expect to get people back to work doing that? I didn’t need the first stimulus check I got and sure don’t need another one. I’m sure there are those affected by this that do need help, identify those and help them. I have seen it time and again, the more free stuff you give people the weaker you make them.

Re: another debt increase [Re: danny clifton] #6910140
06/25/20 09:26 AM
06/25/20 09:26 AM
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I would rather just have a payroll tax holiday and keep my own money. That way if you did not work for it you don't get one. Probably unpopular but ….. LLL


Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
Re: another debt increase [Re: danny clifton] #6910141
06/25/20 09:27 AM
06/25/20 09:27 AM
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I cannot in good faith ever support rewarding bad behavior and this will no doubt end up that way. If a man was working prior to covid I can see the argument. But giving money to people who never did or flat out refuse to work when given the opportunity stinks.

Another question: Who the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) is going to pay for this? My grandkids or my great grandkids?


“What’s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.”
Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers


Re: another debt increase [Re: danny clifton] #6910142
06/25/20 09:28 AM
06/25/20 09:28 AM
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Well there ya have it..Bought my vote sign me up I'm now a Trumplapia.. Send me some more turds of wisdom.......
I'm still wondering when their going to come want the first one they gave us paid back..

Mac


"Never Forget Which Way Is Up"

Re: another debt increase [Re: Macthediver] #6910160
06/25/20 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Macthediver
Well there ya have it..Bought my vote sign me up I'm now a Trumplapia.. Send me some more turds of wisdom.......
I'm still wondering when their going to come want the first one they gave us paid back..

Mac

Just consider it strike pay.

Re: another debt increase [Re: Leftlane] #6910187
06/25/20 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Leftlane
I cannot in good faith ever support rewarding bad behavior and this will no doubt end up that way. If a man was working prior to covid I can see the argument. But giving money to people who never did or flat out refuse to work when given the opportunity stinks.
Another question: Who the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) is going to pay for this? My grandkids or my great grandkids?

When the current $25-30 trillion is paid back, then they can start on the next. Our grandkids won't live long enough to touch it. Imagine what the debt will be 25 yrs from now.


Life ain't supposed to be easy.
Re: another debt increase [Re: danny clifton] #6910191
06/25/20 10:31 AM
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The total net worth combined of all billionaires and millionaires today would be about 1.5 trillion.


Life ain't supposed to be easy.
Re: another debt increase [Re: Blaine County] #6910213
06/25/20 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Buying votes like a Democrat.


The Republicans used to buy votes with tax cuts, which result in more debt and little stimulus. So yes, they are now buying them like Democrats. The vote should be 99-1 in the Senate.

Here's the CARES ACT vote: " Late in the night of March 25, 2020, the Senate passed the $2 trillion bill in a unanimous 96–0 vote. Four Republicans did not vote: John Thune was "feeling ill" and Rand Paul had tested positive for coronavirus); Mitt Romney and Mike Lee were both in isolation after contact with Senator Paul.[7]"

Last edited by Dirt; 06/25/20 11:03 AM.

Who is John Galt?
Re: another debt increase [Re: Gary Benson] #6910229
06/25/20 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
Originally Posted by Leftlane
I cannot in good faith ever support rewarding bad behavior and this will no doubt end up that way. If a man was working prior to covid I can see the argument. But giving money to people who never did or flat out refuse to work when given the opportunity stinks.
Another question: Who the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) is going to pay for this? My grandkids or my great grandkids?

When the current $25-30 trillion is paid back, then they can start on the next. Our grandkids won't live long enough to touch it. Imagine what the debt will be 25 yrs from now.


As of May 1, 2020 federal debt held by the public was $19.05 trillion and intragovernmental holdings were $5.9 trillion, for a total national debt of $24.95 trillion.[5][6] At the end of 2019, debt held by the public was approximately 79.2% of GDP,[7][8] and approximately 37% of the debt held by the public was owned by foreigners.[9] The United States has the largest external debt in the world. In 2017, the US debt-to-GDP ratio was ranked 43rd highest out of 207 countries.[10] The Congressional Budget Office forecast in April 2018 that debt held by the public will rise to nearly 100% of GDP by 2028, perhaps higher if current policies are extended beyond their scheduled expiration date.[11]


19.05 trillion is our real national debt. It will never be paid back. It just gets inflated away. This years debt is mostly I believe money created by the Federal reserve to lend to the government, which ends up just being an increase in the money supply (inflation). The fed owned bonds are intragovernmental holdings like the ssi bonds. They are not scored that way though.

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Who is John Galt?
Re: another debt increase [Re: danny clifton] #6910287
06/25/20 12:27 PM
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Maybe Biden will do yall better.

Re: another debt increase [Re: danny clifton] #6910309
06/25/20 12:40 PM
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The slate will soon be wiped clean as the new order arises.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: another debt increase [Re: Matt28] #6910348
06/25/20 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt28
Maybe Biden will do yall better.


I won't vote for Biden or Trump, but when (I guess "if" so everybody won't scream about the polls being rigged and wrong) Trump loses in November he has nobody to blame but himself. Beating Biden should have been a lay up--even with Covid and the rioters.

Re: another debt increase [Re: Blaine County] #6910350
06/25/20 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Buying votes like a Democrat.

Well....he was a Dem most of his adult life....Still shocks me that he got the nomination 4 years ago.

Re: another debt increase [Re: danny clifton] #6910358
06/25/20 01:27 PM
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I dont see how Trump could be re-elected with the country in the state its in under his administration.
Can anyone explain how he could ever be re-elected?
For the record I hope he does get elected.The alternative will be a worse disaster.?Is that the thinking-is that even possible?

Last edited by Boco; 06/25/20 01:29 PM.

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Re: another debt increase [Re: danny clifton] #6910360
06/25/20 01:28 PM
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I read somewhere where they sent out 1.4 billion In stimulus checks to dead people. Don't know If that's true or not.


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Re: another debt increase [Re: Boco] #6910370
06/25/20 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
I dont see how Trump could be re-elected with the country in the state its in under his administration.
Can anyone explain how he could ever be re-elected?
For the record I hope he does get elected.The alternative will be a worse disaster.?Is that the thinking-is that even possible?

Americans know.....the country is in this state because of the media and Democrat/Socialists hellbent on destroying this country and Trump. They know Trump will win again.........that's why all the uproar lately.


Life ain't supposed to be easy.
Re: another debt increase [Re: The Beav] #6910371
06/25/20 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by The Beav
I read somewhere where they sent out 1.4 billion In stimulus checks to dead people. Don't know If that's true or not.

they sent a check to everyone who filed a return last year. Dead or alive.


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