Re: Democrat trappers debate
[Re: James]
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07/08/20 07:18 AM
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Mark June
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Mark June
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Jesus never said anything about abortion, even thought the practice was known in his time.
He did criticize those who worship wealth and those who won't help those in need. Like refugees.
I've asked this in the past, but never got an answer:
Why don't some of you anti-abortion guys step up to the plate, walk your talk. Adopt an unwanted child. (My Christian son did; talked a woman out of an abortion by agreeing to adopt the twins.) Give money to Planned Parenthood for birth control information and products for young women. Write your Congressmen to urge more funding for poor young women and men to learn and practice safe sex.
Start or help fund an organization.
But nah. Most people who whine about abortion are only interested in their armchairs and how much beer they have in the fridge.
Jim Good morning James. I'm going to take you, in a loving manner, out behind the woodshed, and you're going to get a whooping about the line and the theme that Bill Clinton, the progressives, and even some pastors have said in error. That Jesus never said anything about abortion, even though the practice was known in his time. I suspect you cut and pasted but I won't have to. You are incorrect. Scripture is absolutely clear on the biggest moral bankruptcy in our country = abortion. In fact, the reasons evangelicals and the church are sometimes confusing on this issue is that they wage the battle as if it's a political fight. It's not. It's a human morality fight. The progressives want it fought the way it's being fought now, but there are great inroads occurring as church folks regroup correctly. First, when we deem what is life, what isn't life and when/what/how this occurs, we are now acting as God. God is very clear in Genesis about who is God and we are not. Very. Second, Scripture tells us God's Children have a personality even before they are born; John the Baptist, while in the womb as a baby, leapt for joy (Greek word brephos), Luke 1:41, Jesus did also in Luke 2:12, 16, and the children who approached Jesus, Luke 18:15. Rebekah's children skirmished as a comparator in the Hebrew text of Genesis. So we see James, the Bible does say that it isn't a developing fetus in the womb, it's a fully developed child in the eyes of God! Further, my favorite Psalm is 139, that tells us God creates us all in the womb, in great marvel and majesty. I might also add that the folks (Clinton and many others) do not know God. They may say they do, but it's not the God of the Bible they profess. The God of the Bible, Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit is one God as 3 Persons, perfect in unity, so when the Father speaks it is the same mission as Jesus, and vice versa. Far too many sects of Christianity deem Christ as a really good man, but not fully God. That has not been the orthodox Christian faith since the Early Church Fathers helped explain it. There is so much more, but this is far enough to discount the progressive view you offered. When we dehumanize humans, which God creates, we actively choose to be god, and turn from God. It couldn't be more striking that Jesus spoke as clear as fine glass on the sanctity of life. He came as the Incarnate for its eternal salvation. There has been no bigger statement in all of human history. That's why progressives hate it. And why they actively seek to destroy all that is godly. The only mystery may be, why does God allow it? And that's a whole other answer. Hope this helps open your eyes James. Blessings Mark
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Re: Democrat trappers debate
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07/08/20 07:32 AM
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Jesus never said anything about abortion, even thought the practice was known in his time.
He did criticize those who worship wealth and those who won't help those in need. Like refugees.
I've asked this in the past, but never got an answer:
Why don't some of you anti-abortion guys step up to the plate, walk your talk. Adopt an unwanted child. (My Christian son did; talked a woman out of an abortion by agreeing to adopt the twins.) Give money to Planned Parenthood for birth control information and products for young women. Write your Congressmen to urge more funding for poor young women and men to learn and practice safe sex.
Start or help fund an organization.
But nah. Most people who whine about abortion are only interested in their armchairs and how much beer they have in the fridge.
Jim Good morning James. I'm going to take you, in a loving manner, out behind the woodshed, and you're going to get a whooping about the line and the theme that Bill Clinton, the progressives, and even some pastors have said in error. That Jesus never said anything about abortion, even though the practice was known in his time. I suspect you cut and pasted but I won't have to. You are incorrect. Scripture is absolutely clear on the biggest moral bankruptcy in our country = abortion. In fact, the reasons evangelicals and the church are sometimes confusing on this issue is that they wage the battle as if it's a political fight. It's not. It's a human morality fight. The progressives want it fought the way it's being fought now, but there are great inroads occurring as church folks regroup correctly. First, when we deem what is life, what isn't life and when/what/how this occurs, we are now acting as God. God is very clear in Genesis about who is God and we are not. Very. Second, Scripture tells us God's Children have a personality even before they are born; John the Baptist, while in the womb as a baby, leapt for joy (Greek word brephos), Luke 1:41, Jesus did also in Luke 2:12, 16, and the children who approached Jesus, Luke 18:15. Rebekah's children skirmished as a comparator in the Hebrew text of Genesis. So we see James, the Bible does say that it isn't a developing fetus in the womb, it's a fully developed child in the eyes of God! Further, my favorite Psalm is 139, that tells us God creates us all in the womb, in great marvel and majesty. I might also add that the folks (Clinton and many others) do not know God. They may say they do, but it's not the God of the Bible they profess. The God of the Bible, Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit is one God as 3 Persons, perfect in unity, so when the Father speaks it is the same mission as Jesus, and vice versa. Far too many sects of Christianity deem Christ as a really good man, but not fully God. That has not been the orthodox Christian faith since the Early Church Fathers helped explain it. There is so much more, but this is far enough to discount the progressive view you offered. When we dehumanize humans, which God creates, we actively choose to be god, and turn from God. It couldn't be more striking that Jesus spoke as clear as fine glass on the sanctity of life. He came as the Incarnate for its eternal salvation. There has been no bigger statement in all of human history. That's why progressives hate it. And why they actively seek to destroy all that is godly. The only mystery may be, why does God allow it? And that's a whole other answer. Hope this helps open your eyes James. Blessings Mark Thank you!
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Re: Democrat trappers debate
[Re: martentrapper]
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07/08/20 07:35 AM
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Mark June
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^^^^^^^ It would seem both national parties have slid to the left, to the left. It's not liberalism. It's called progressivism. I wish we'd name them what they are. Progressivism started in Europe and I have no idea why America, who cut most ties with that continent, feel deeply in love with Europe's bright thinkers about the same time as this country was founded. It picked up steam (progressivism of man) in the 1800's, pulled back a bit in the 1900's, but once again it's full steam ahead. Globalists are the epitome of progressives. They rule the world. So much for that Christian pagan God! In depth research tells us, Americans don't like the word progressivism. It doesn't "sell" here like it does in Europe. So the branders renamed it "liberalism = liberals." Americans like that term, I call then what they are. Progressives. Toward more man. Away from anything God.
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Re: Democrat trappers debate
[Re: martentrapper]
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07/08/20 07:54 AM
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James I am still waiting for your answer on who would be worthy in God's eyes to run the country. Surely as knowing as you are in the scriptures you would have quickly answered. I would actually be more interested in what your son would say since it appears he is practicing his faith according to you. (Have no reason to believe he is not) The POTUS is a flawed man as you and I are. I vote for those who would help further Christ's kingdom here in the US. I can wait for the answer so please put some thought into it. I have waited all my life for a man to lead in a Godly way. I bet I will never see it in my lifetime here but will be united with the one true King face to face and even I will be made PERFECT. LLL
Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
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Re: Democrat trappers debate
[Re: James]
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07/08/20 02:33 PM
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Some folks didn't get the Boss's hint, but I did. I'll return to the original subject.
Based on trapping, hunting, and gun rights alone, and leaving other considerations aside, I would think that Democrat trappers wouldn't support their party at this time.
Jim Thanks for you honesty Jim.
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Re: Democrat trappers debate
[Re: walleye101]
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07/08/20 04:48 PM
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Some folks didn't get the Boss's hint, but I did. I'll return to the original subject.
Based on trapping, hunting, and gun rights alone, and leaving other considerations aside, I would think that Democrat trappers wouldn't support their party at this time.
Jim Thanks for you honesty Jim. This is not going to improve, and has been the case for over 50 years.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Democrat trappers debate
[Re: martentrapper]
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07/08/20 04:48 PM
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Mark, don't take James out behind the wood shed.........whoop him in public............you could sell tickets and make a fortune.
Life ain't supposed to be easy.
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Re: Democrat trappers debate
[Re: martentrapper]
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07/08/20 06:37 PM
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Mark, you've given us a nice spectacle of John the Baptist leaping in the womb, but you didn't prove any part of my statement incorrect. If Jesus said something about abortion, it ought to be easy for you to find that passage of Scripture.
I've looked, never could find it. Maybe you can quote it for us?
Jim
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Re: Democrat trappers debate
[Re: James]
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07/08/20 07:39 PM
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Mark, you've given us a nice spectacle of John the Baptist leaping in the womb, but you didn't prove any part of my statement incorrect. If Jesus said something about abortion, it ought to be easy for you to find that passage of Scripture.
I've looked, never could find it. Maybe you can quote it for us?
Jim How about God Himself when He instructed the Israelites not to allow their children to pass through the fire (sacrificed to the canaanite god molech)
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Re: Democrat trappers debate
[Re: James]
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07/08/20 07:59 PM
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J Staton
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Mark, you've given us a nice spectacle of John the Baptist leaping in the womb, but you didn't prove any part of my statement incorrect. If Jesus said something about abortion, it ought to be easy for you to find that passage of Scripture.
I've looked, never could find it. Maybe you can quote it for us?
Jim Exodus 20
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