Re: 7 Iran ships on fire
[Re: Donnersurvivor]
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However, to get more towards your point. 1. Israel was not the only intelligence agency, in fact, far from it that had doubts about Iraq's WMD's In fact, it is still not 100% known that they didn't have WMD's. There were multipul reports that WMD's were shipped to Syria when or shortly before the war started. https://pjmedia.com/blog/ryan-mauro...mony-that-iraqi-wmd-went-to-syria-n13439https://www.nysun.com/foreign/iraqs-wmd-secreted-in-syria-sada-says/26514/2. The attack of the our warship was an accident of friendly fire during the 6 day war. Hardly an attack against the United States. It doesn't even make sense since we were about the only real support that Israel had at that time. There is no real evidence that it was anything but a mistake no matter how much hearsay is posted about it from a liberal rag of a newspaper. Much like the WMD's, there is zero evidence either way. 3. Israel took the Golan Heights as part of the 6 day war. A war that they didn't start. A war that they saw coming and were smart enough to make a first strike. In fact, I believe they had taken that territory and given it back several times trying to make peace only to have attacks originate from there once again although I would need fact checked on that one. So what else ya got?
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Re: 7 Iran ships on fire
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Hey Finster, your a Jerk. How ya like them apples? Exactly why is Donner a jerk, because you disagree with him? He never got out of line, just posted his thoughts and beliefs. You sound like a Libtard, I agree with the freedom of speech as long as you say what I want you to. Whittle on that lol. He exercised his freedom of speech and I'm exercising mine. Like you just exercised yours.
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Re: 7 Iran ships on fire
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First, everyone is entitled to their opinion on issues, including you. One of the many problems in our society and culture today is people no longer possess the skills to disagree in a civil manner. This is the first I've heard of a friendly fire incident between Israel and the U.S. armed forces in the 1967 War. I will need to spend some time looking into this as mainstream media has almost no credibility anymore. If this is true, it certainly is a regrettable occurrence and Israel should make proper amends for it. In 1967, every country surrounding Israel surprise attacked Israel simultaneously, including Syria. Israel fought back and defeated them all in six days. Because Syria attacked Israel and lost territory to them when they pushed the Syrians back, seems to me the Golan Heights belong to Israel fair and square. Fast forward to current times and Syria hosts a large Iranian military force who are bent on Israel's destruction. BTW, Iran is obviously a sponsor of terrorism throughout the Middle East and elsewhere. So, Donnersurvivor - we'll just agree to disagree and move on. Best regards, Vic
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Re: 7 Iran ships on fire
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Hey Finster, your a Jerk. How ya like them apples? Exactly why is Donner a jerk, because you disagree with him? He never got out of line, just posted his thoughts and beliefs. You sound like a Libtard, I agree with the freedom of speech as long as you say what I want you to. Whittle on that lol. He exercised his freedom of speech and I'm exercising mine. Like you just exercised yours. Yep, and he was classy unlike you lol. Why not just post rebuttals and leave it there?
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Re: 7 Iran ships on fire
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This is the first I've heard of a friendly fire incident between Israel and the U.S. armed forces in the 1967 War. I will need to spend some time looking into this as mainstream media has almost no credibility anymore. If this is true, it certainly is a regrettable occurrence and Israel should make proper amends for it.
Compensation was given to families over this: In May 1968, the Israeli government paid US$3.32 million (equivalent to US$24.4 million in 2019) to the U.S. government in compensation for the families of the 34 men killed in the attack. In March 1969, Israel paid a further $3.57 million ($24.9 million in 2019) to the men who had been wounded. In December 1980, it agreed to pay $6 million ($18.6 million in 2019) as the final settlement for material damage to Liberty itself plus 13 years of interest
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Re: 7 Iran ships on fire
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Yep, and he was classy unlike you lol. Why not just post rebuttals and leave it there?
I don't like his attitude and I called him on it. What are you his big brother?
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Re: 7 Iran ships on fire
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Yep, and he was classy unlike you lol. Why not just post rebuttals and leave it there?
I don't like his attitude and I called him on it. What are you his big brother? Not liking his post is ok, not sure why you need to name call like a girl. And no, I'm not his big brother and one day Paul is gonna give me a special title under my handle cause I'm special. All I'm saying is instead of name calling, prove them wrong with truth. Your smart and post great stuff, jump up off the curb man.
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Re: 7 Iran ships on fire
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07/17/20 03:20 PM
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He’s saying he sees pattern and I agree he has built that pattern over time I see that also, nothing smooth about it.
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Re: 7 Iran ships on fire
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I don't like his attitude and I called him on it. What are you his big brother?
"Attitude", please, you didnt like what I had to say and assumed I would roll over if you hurled a few insults. Don't tell me you are still pushing the tired "Iraq had WMDs we just didnt find them" narrative. What we know Israeli intelligence knew Iraq did not have WMD, at best they decided not to share that information with their "closest ally", why would you not prevent a war if you had the information to do so? Lets remember what Netanyahu said regarding WMD and Iraq, remember he knew Iraq did not have WMDs at the time "There is no question whatsoever that Saddam is seeking and is working and is advancing towards the development of nuclear weapons. No question whatsoever. If you take out Saddam, Saddam’s regime, I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region." O ya we sure had a ton of positive reverberations in the region after the fall of Saddam. This quote at very least sums up the recklessness the israelis showed in targeting the U.S.S Liberty "At the time of the attack, the USS Liberty was flying the American flag and its identification was clearly indicated in large white letters and numerals on its hull. ... Experience demonstrates that both the flag and the identification number of the vessel were readily visible from the air ... Accordingly, there is every reason to believe that the USS Liberty was identified, or at least her nationality determined, by Israeli aircraft approximately one hour before the attack. ... The subsequent attack by the torpedo boats, substantially after the vessel was or should have been identified by Israeli military forces, manifests the same reckless disregard for human life." Israel from its founding has gained territory through military conquest, it was the Jews who invaded Palestinian, the Jews have as much right to Palestine as the Romans. Why do we sanction Russia but allow Israel to continue to gain territory thought conquest? If the Israelis had taken some land and used that as a buffer to gain depth in defense that may be one thing but that is not what they did, they colonized it, only one nation gets away with colonizing though military conquest anymore.
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Re: 7 Iran ships on fire
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07/17/20 03:36 PM
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He’s saying he sees pattern and I agree he has built that pattern over time I see that also, nothing smooth about it. If i'm a detriment to your desired echo chamber click on my name, go to profile, click ignore, you will have now regained your safe space.
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Re: 7 Iran ships on fire
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07/17/20 03:37 PM
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He’s saying he sees pattern and I agree he has built that pattern over time I see that also, nothing smooth about it. If i'm a detriment to your desired echo chamber click on my name, go to profile, click ignore, you will have now regained your safe space. That there is a ZING lol........... Ole Flyin Finn would be proud lol.
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Re: 7 Iran ships on fire
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Maybe because Israel is our only true ally in the Middle East. Need at least one player over there. Maybe Israel is the reason we have no other allies in the middle east.
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Re: 7 Iran ships on fire
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Doesn't anyone have A/C in their house?
I'm sitting in front of a fan, quit work early because it was Africa hot out, fans about as good as it gets for me and it happens that best airflow is past the computer so...
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