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Re: China seeds
[Re: rex123]
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07/28/20 03:40 AM
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China is an interesting place. It’s big, diverse and different. If you take some time to study it, you’d find its in our best interests to be invested, if you will, in seeing it prosper. Not at our expense, mind you, but a growing China means they will buy our fur, meat, soybeans, textiles, cars, metals, coal, excess oil and natural gas and help us with our national debt by buying bonds and treasuries.
Let’s face it, China didn’t take our jobs: American companies started sourcing finished materials from China. In reality, that happened because everyone here wanted to pay less than it cost to manufacture those items here. And this didn’t happen just yesterday either. When I was stateside at a Navy base in California (1969), I remember seeing Akai reel-to-reel tape machines brought back from Japan. Higher quality and lower priced than they could have bought here in the states. Cheaper foreign labor rates killed American jobs. Nobody took those jobs from us. Our country lost those jobs because we didn’t want to pay the cost of labor. It’s that simple.
If we start blaming other countries for our labor problems, we’ll continue to have labor problems. Let’s face reality. The days of welding car part joints by hand have been replaced with machines. If we want to keep car manufacturing jobs here, we need to be manufacturing those machines. Machine manufacturing takes skilled labor which means industrially trained people who can handle the math, physics, chemistry, computer science and mechanics. If you have the education, jobs will be there (when COVID-19 settles down). But if your job skills aren’t there, your job choices will be limited.
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Re: China seeds
[Re: rex123]
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07/28/20 06:12 AM
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I don't like our dependence upon China for our goods. I don't trust them as a nation to sell us products as we need them. They are a communist country and unless we are willing to have a lower standard of living we can not compete without imposing tariffs on their products. Our businesses are at fault for shipping the jobs there, but we as consumers share the blame for purchasing the products. And many of our elected officials are on the take and allowed it to happen.
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Re: China seeds
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07/28/20 10:01 AM
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China is an interesting place. It’s big, diverse and different. If you take some time to study it, you’d find its in our best interests to be invested, if you will, in seeing it prosper. Not at our expense, mind you, but a growing China means they will buy our fur, meat, soybeans, textiles, cars, metals, coal, excess oil and natural gas and help us with our national debt by buying bonds and treasuries.
Let’s face it, China didn’t take our jobs: American companies started sourcing finished materials from China. In reality, that happened because everyone here wanted to pay less than it cost to manufacture those items here. And this didn’t happen just yesterday either. When I was stateside at a Navy base in California (1969), I remember seeing Akai reel-to-reel tape machines brought back from Japan. Higher quality and lower priced than they could have bought here in the states. Cheaper foreign labor rates killed American jobs. Nobody took those jobs from us. Our country lost those jobs because we didn’t want to pay the cost of labor. It’s that simple.
If we start blaming other countries for our labor problems, we’ll continue to have labor problems. Let’s face reality. The days of welding car part joints by hand have been replaced with machines. If we want to keep car manufacturing jobs here, we need to be manufacturing those machines. Machine manufacturing takes skilled labor which means industrially trained people who can handle the math, physics, chemistry, computer science and mechanics. If you have the education, jobs will be there (when COVID-19 settles down). But if your job skills aren’t there, your job choices will be limited. What an incredibly bizarre, off topic response. Not a single mention in any previous post on this entire thread was about China taking our jobs. Just because it's in the liberal playbook and you're a liberal doesn't mean you have to spew it. Does it? Keith
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Re: China seeds
[Re: rex123]
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07/28/20 10:08 AM
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sounds like a good time to close the borders Mex and Can already closed theirs that should make it easy.
close the ports and lets bring US manufacturing back to the US
take care of the US for a while
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Re: China seeds
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07/28/20 10:27 AM
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Probably hoping that it can gain a foothold in the USA, where we will develop a herbicide for it, that China can then steal and replicate....
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Re: China seeds
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07/28/20 10:32 AM
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Labor costs were one of the reasons many companies moved their operations to China. But, high corporate taxes played a larger role.
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Re: China seeds
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07/28/20 10:33 AM
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Do the feds really not have some scientist at the USDA than can open the package, look at the seeds and say "this is a _______ seed"? Or, "this is a seed that has never been observed and classified"?
It's really not that hard.
I was wondering the same thing.
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Re: China seeds
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07/28/20 10:33 AM
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The only way the Chinese will buy product from American companies in any numbers
is if they are built in China ,the cost of labor isn't that much cheaper there , that's why GM and many other companies built plants in China .
Happened to the biggest employer in our small town , they sold 50 of their big machines a year normally ,
the Chinese came in and wanted to order 100 of them but they HAD to be built there ,
so the company built a plant over there , now their order shrunk which basically bankrupt the company
then they took over and now build all of them over there . We have a nice empty building now .
If that isn't stealing jobs , what is ?
We already deal with invasive bugs and plant ailments on our agriculture from the "global " market ,
To intentionally send bad for the environment seeds to unsuspecting (or unknowing ) public
is nothing short of an attack .
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Re: China seeds
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07/28/20 10:36 AM
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Do the feds really not have some scientist at the USDA than can open the package, look at the seeds and say "this is a _______ seed"? Or, "this is a seed that has never been observed and classified"?
It's really not that hard.
Do you think our inspectors open every package from China ?
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Re: China seeds
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07/28/20 08:12 PM
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Unless you have personally received one of these seed packets, you are blissfully unaware of the truth. kansas cat have you got any of the seeds? do you know something we dont? theres something fishy about this seed thing. Here's something to think about. The county where my family's farm is, in north Missouri the largest landowner in the county is China, aka, Smithfield. they own thousands of acres with hog barns on them but theres tons of hay ground as well. they could easily establish some invasive foreign seeds on this ground and it would be out of control before it was discovered. Now i havent seen any chinese people wandering around but this theory wouldnt be hard to put in motion.
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Re: China seeds
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07/28/20 08:38 PM
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We're definitely at war with the communist chinese, russia too. It may be covert and subversive but it's still a war. If their agenda, motives and methods (maybe ask hillary, she probably knows) are ever exposed and made public, all of their U.S. holdings, Smithfield, any lumber or steel companies..., would probably just have to be written off.
U.S. born to foreign nationals over here on "vacation" turning out to be nothing more than terrorists or sappers. This would be a serious problem for the daca/open boarder supporters.
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Re: China seeds
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07/28/20 08:41 PM
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Do the feds really not have some scientist at the USDA than can open the package, look at the seeds and say "this is a _______ seed"? Or, "this is a seed that has never been observed and classified"?
It's really not that hard.
Do you think our inspectors open every package from China ? No. But they could inspect the seeds that people find in their mailboxes (and that show up in news stories).
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Re: China seeds
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07/28/20 08:41 PM
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They are for AOC, She traded all those Amazon jobs for magic beans.
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