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Incentive’ for Hospitals to Inflate deaths #6949533
07/31/20 07:34 PM
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Gee, I haven't been preaching this for months now. smirk

CDC Chief Agrees There’s ‘Perverse’ Economic ‘Incentive’ for Hospitals to Inflate Coronavirus Deaths

United States hospitals have a “perverse” monetary “incentive” to increase their count of coronavirus fatalities, U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)’s director Robert Redfield indicated under questioning from a Republican lawmaker during a House panel hearing on Friday.

Asked to comment on what Rep. Blaine Luetkemeyer (R-MO) described as the “perverse incentive” during a hearing by the House Oversight and Reform Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis, Dr. Redfield responded:

I think you’re correct in that we’ve seen this in other disease processes too, really in the HIV epidemic, somebody may have a heart attack, but also have HIV — the hospital would prefer the [classification] for HIV because there’s greater reimbursement.

So I do think there’s some reality to that. When it comes to death reporting, though, ultimately, it’s how the physician defines it in the death certificate and … we review all of those death certificates.

So I think, probably it is less operable in the cause of death, although I won’t say there are not some cases. I do think though [that] when it comes to hospital reimbursement issues or individuals that get discharged, there could be some play in that for sure.

According to Congressman Luetkemeyer, Adm. Brett Giroir from the U.S. Health and Human Services (HHS) Department has conceded that there is an economic incentive for hospitals to inflate their coronavirus fatalities.

Giroir “acknowledged that the statistics he is getting from the states are over-inflated,” the Republican lawmakers said.

The admiral testified earlier during Friday’s hearing but was no longer present during Luetkemeyer’s questions about coronavirus deaths.

Across the United States, the seven-day average number of new infections had plateaued as of Thursday evening and even begun to come down in recent days. Meanwhile, new fatalities reported daily, and their seven-day average, continue to go up, but remain below peak levels.

There is a lag of about three weeks or more between infection and death.

As of mid-day Friday, COVID-19 (coronavirus disease) had infected nearly 4.5 million people and killed over 150,000, the Johns Hopkins University tracker revealed.


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Re: Incentive’ for Hospitals to Inflate deaths [Re: Finster] #6949545
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No where near what H1N1 was and there was no discussion at all about lock downs, mask's or anything else, its virulence was twice maybe three times as deadly !!

And now congress them selves has exempted them selves from wearing masks, either it is deadly and concerning or its not !!


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Re: Incentive’ for Hospitals to Inflate deaths [Re: Finster] #6949556
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We're gonna die Finster. grin


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Re: Incentive’ for Hospitals to Inflate deaths [Re: Finster] #6949662
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More and more people are figuring this out........

Re: Incentive’ for Hospitals to Inflate deaths [Re: Finster] #6950065
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Local county just posted covid19 death number 11. Oh the horror. That's one a week since begining of april. Another county just posted a death this week, 93 yrs old. Powerful sneeze or scary movie might have caused that one too.

Re: Incentive’ for Hospitals to Inflate deaths [Re: headache73] #6950074
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Originally Posted by headache73
More and more people are figuring this out........

Not fast or loudly enough.


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Re: Incentive’ for Hospitals to Inflate deaths [Re: Finster] #6950083
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Originally Posted by Finster
Originally Posted by headache73
More and more people are figuring this out........

Not fast or loudly enough.

I completely agree

Re: Incentive’ for Hospitals to Inflate deaths [Re: Finster] #6950264
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I heard talk of up to 13 thousand dollars of reimbursement per Covid death patient.

Re: Incentive’ for Hospitals to Inflate deaths [Re: Finster] #6950279
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Two things.

1. EVERYTHING has become about money and politics.

2. The chinese virus and its dangers will disappear after the second tuesday in November provided uncle joe wins. If Trump wins, it will intensify. Mark my words.


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Re: Incentive’ for Hospitals to Inflate deaths [Re: Finster] #6950283
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Re: Incentive’ for Hospitals to Inflate deaths [Re: Finster] #6950299
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Why does a hospital get paid extra when anyone dies......for any reason?

Shouldn't it be the other way around? They get paid extra if they keep somebody alive and penalized if they die?

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Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:

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Re: Incentive’ for Hospitals to Inflate deaths [Re: GritGuy] #6950335
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Originally Posted by GritGuy
No where near what H1N1 was and there was no discussion at all about lock downs, mask's or anything else, its virulence was twice maybe three times as deadly !!

And now congress them selves has exempted them selves from wearing masks, either it is deadly and concerning or its not !!


Imagine the numbers that h1n1 would have had if the same incentives were in place back then.

Re: Incentive’ for Hospitals to Inflate deaths [Re: Finster] #6950426
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HEY PAUL POOF THIS TOO

Re: Incentive’ for Hospitals to Inflate deaths [Re: Finster] #6950502
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What is the worse case scenario on inaccurate corona associated deaths? Of the 150,000 and climbing what percent would you estimate are not corona associated deaths?


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Re: Incentive’ for Hospitals to Inflate deaths [Re: Finster] #6950509
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Seems like a simple solution. Remove the money ! Probably has something to do with that one Doctor .getting Fired for speaking out

Re: Incentive’ for Hospitals to Inflate deaths [Re: Dirt] #6950524
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Originally Posted by Dirt
What is the worse case scenario on inaccurate corona associated deaths? Of the 150,000 and climbing what percent would you estimate are not corona associated deaths?

I think the number would be so different most people would think it wasn't true

Re: Incentive’ for Hospitals to Inflate deaths [Re: Finster] #6950542
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New York hospitals were making bank. Why did they quit? They are only doing 10 or so deaths a day now. That ain't going to pay the bills. frown

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Re: Incentive’ for Hospitals to Inflate deaths [Re: Finster] #6950572
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You could start digging fake graves and putting empty caskets inside, or maybe sell fake life insurance policies. Think I’ll have a fake beer.

Maybe some patients are dying several times to collect life insurance benefits.

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Re: Incentive’ for Hospitals to Inflate deaths [Re: GritGuy] #6950722
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Originally Posted by GritGuy
No where near what H1N1 was and there was no discussion at all about lock downs, mask's or anything else, its virulence was twice maybe three times as deadly !!

And now congress them selves has exempted them selves from wearing masks, either it is deadly and concerning or its not !!


Congress has exempted themselves? Seriously?

Re: Incentive’ for Hospitals to Inflate deaths [Re: Finster] #6950746
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This whole thing is a propaganda campaign. They infection rate numbers at least in Wi being used by the governor are Plain and simple lies. They claim a 6.8 % infection rate but DHS is not taking the time to put negative results in the data base. Positive Retests for confirmation on the same individual are being entered in duplicate and triplicate to inflate the infection rate. The actual rate of infection is about 2.1 % positive result for those tested with symptoms.

The flu killed more people per month in wi in 2017 and 2018 than corona has killed people.

Yes, corona is real and will kill people but it’s all a hyped up scam to keep the economy down and inflect cultural imbalance with the bottom line to keep trump from getting re-elected


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