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Are we being spied on? Open Fields Doctrine #6960290
08/10/20 07:12 PM
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Re: Are we being spied on? Open Fields Doctrine [Re: warrior] #6960296
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Probably, but if it were me Iíd just stand off to the side and let my sp10 magnum take care of it.

Re: Are we being spied on? Open Fields Doctrine [Re: warrior] #6960305
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I would switch it of with a 12 gauge for sure ... this story playing out in TN I am going to have more of a lookout now for sure and evaporate them if I find any.


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Re: Are we being spied on? Open Fields Doctrine [Re: warrior] #6960308
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I pee in the front yard quite frequently, but unless they have a very good zoom lens on the camera, I'll get off on 'lack of evidence' . blush


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Re: Are we being spied on? Open Fields Doctrine [Re: warrior] #6960309
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laugh They said game " camera' not game microscope

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Re: Are we being spied on? Open Fields Doctrine [Re: warrior] #6960311
08/10/20 07:28 PM
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Now days, if you leave your house you have to figure youíre on TV somewhere. Heck they probably have it inside your house too. Iíll quietly let the inside idea wreak havoc on someone retinas if itís real.

Itís not right, but itís how today is. This is more proof of guilt before and until proven innocence.

What would happen if he would have shot a couple of those warrant servers, in defense of his family on a quiet Saturday morning? In my world, thatís how the tweeters trick people into opening the door.


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Re: Are we being spied on? Open Fields Doctrine [Re: warrior] #6960321
08/10/20 07:33 PM
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For the record, the little brother of a guy I went to school with, works for the USDA, that is the agriculture department, and he told us, that he can and does, zero in satellites here and watches us farm.
In 1968, the CIA in Vietnam had cameras at 200 miles above the earth which could read the addresses on letters. The technology is far advanced of that era. They now have acoustic feedback which will paint pictures of room interiors and can see through walls. The FBI has airliners 24/7 flying in the Stingray operation picking up all of our cell and computer transmissions before sending them on.
Open Fields is what the agencies use, who do not have NSA uplinks to your computer of cell phone, monitoring you by your consent, with audio and video.

Re: Are we being spied on? Open Fields Doctrine [Re: warrior] #6960322
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Re: Are we being spied on? Open Fields Doctrine [Re: warrior] #6960364
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Here in Ga, if there is reasonable suspicion that a game violation has occurred/or likely will occur the area may be surveilled. Any evidence observed/obtained may lead to probable cause for issuing a citation or for an arrest.

We dont just randomly conduct surveillance. We've got too much ground to cover protecting our wildlife resources to do that. Most of our camera surveillance is conducted on public lands and private property at the request of the landowner.

We've determined that visual media falls under the Open Fields doctrine, but any audio recording (of people talking) would not as a warrant would be needed to use that against them. If the officer actually hears the conversation...different story.

This reasonable suspicion I speak of is the same standard needed to initiate some investigations and brief detentions. Obviously, probable cause is determined if an actual violation or crime is observed.

For what its worth...this is how/why we utilize surveillance.

Btw...we are empowered by Ga law to go on or about lands (outside of dwellings or buildings) without a warrant, in the performance of our duties. One of those duties is ensuring conservation of our wildlife resources. It would be impossible to protect our State's wildlife if GWs could only go on land with a warrant in hand.


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Re: Are we being spied on? Open Fields Doctrine [Re: warrior] #6960401
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The rights of the people are more important than the rights of the government. SCOTUS made a huge error. If there is probable cause to believe that there is a violation of conservation of wildlife resources, you can get a warrant. Without probable cause, it's wrong - legal or not.


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Re: Are we being spied on? Open Fields Doctrine [Re: warrior] #6960428
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My right to own property, and say who may or may not trespass, is more important than a deer bird or fish. Just another example of judges saying what they want the law to be rather than what the constitution says. If open field is the law why can't I trap anyplace I please other than in somebody's yard or building? Im thinking its now legal for me to take pictures of JR high girls at a private swim party and post them on pedo's r us.

This is another bad ruling by those black dress wearing baboons.


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Re: Are we being spied on? Open Fields Doctrine [Re: maintenanceguy] #6960430
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Originally Posted by maintenanceguy
The rights of the people are more important than the rights of the government. SCOTUS made a huge error. If there is probable cause to believe that there is a violation of conservation of wildlife resources, you can get a warrant. Without probable cause, it's wrong - legal or not.

Is there a need to protect wildlife from being taken illegally....for the public good?

If your neighbors are poachers there might be...but what do I know.


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Re: Are we being spied on? Open Fields Doctrine [Re: maintenanceguy] #6960449
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Originally Posted by maintenanceguy
The rights of the people are more important than the rights of the government. SCOTUS made a huge error. If there is probable cause to believe that there is a violation of conservation of wildlife resources, you can get a warrant. Without probable cause, it's wrong - legal or not.

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Re: Are we being spied on? Open Fields Doctrine [Re: warrior] #6960451
08/10/20 09:46 PM
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I'm not afraid of men of character like Swamp Wolf exercising the authority to surveil.

However the likes of Comey, Obama, et al scares the living hades out of me.

Like was said most states have to much land and to few wardens for me to worry about it. But again there's always.....

I also fully understand the why wardens have free access BUT those laws and the severe taboo placed on "poaching" were enacted in a time of zealous over protection of wildlife with the goal of restoring lost populations of wildlife. I think we can all agree that save for a handful of unique species american wildlife has rebounded to the point of over abundance in many areas.

Perchance it's time to rethink some things and reestablish some boundaries.

Re: Are we being spied on? Open Fields Doctrine [Re: Swamp Wolf] #6960462
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Originally Posted by maintenanceguy
The rights of the people are more important than the rights of the government. SCOTUS made a huge error. If there is probable cause to believe that there is a violation of conservation of wildlife resources, you can get a warrant. Without probable cause, it's wrong - legal or not.

Is there a need to protect wildlife from being taken illegally....for the public good?

If your neighbors are poachers there might be...but what do I know.



It's their ground the states(kings) wildlife resources are trespassing.

Funny if my livestock get in the road and hit by a car I am responsible. Yet if I hit a deer the state is not responsible for damages. But if I shoot said deer on my property outside their rules I can get fined and charge a restocking fee. In addition to loosing personal freedoms and property. But it's the classic separate rules for us and them.

Don't get started on it for the greater good that's a direct path to socialism.

Re: Are we being spied on? Open Fields Doctrine [Re: warrior] #6960467
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Re: Are we being spied on? Open Fields Doctrine [Re: warrior] #6960476
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Originally Posted by warrior
I'm not afraid of men of character like Swamp Wolf exercising the authority to surveil.

However the likes of Comey, Obama, et al scares the living hades out of me.





Perchance it's time to rethink some things and reestablish some boundaries.


I agree. Scary thing is drones. Almost no regulation , in and out before you even know they are/were there.
They are being used by lots of small local governmental/municipal/law enforcement type agencies. Even HOA's are using them impunity.

Regulation is needed.

Regulation on the GOVERNMENT is needed , not regulation on the people. Big difference.


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Re: Are we being spied on? Open Fields Doctrine [Re: warrior] #6960482
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I didnt say anything about the "greater" good. I said the public good as held in public trust for the people. If we as hunters, trappers, etc. dont support the best wildlife conservation system on Earth to ensure we maintain sustainable populations of wildlife then who will? This has nothing to do with socialism.

I could care less about your cows.


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Re: Are we being spied on? Open Fields Doctrine [Re: Swamp Wolf] #6960499
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
I didnt say anything about the "greater" good. I said the public good as held in public trust for the people. If we as hunters, trappers, etc. dont support the best wildlife conservation system on Earth to ensure we maintain sustainable populations of wildlife then who will? This has nothing to do with socialism.

I could care less about your cows.


Swamp Wolf , I doubt many would chastise you for enforcing game laws. It's a good thing , game laws preserves game which we all want , more game.
I think most are concerned about overreach , not seeking out and capturing poachers.


BIG difference , imo.


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Re: Are we being spied on? Open Fields Doctrine [Re: warrior] #6960533
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I think all on here would agree enforcement of regulation protecting wildlife is a good thing.
I also think most would also agree on the fear of abuse of the liberties wardens enjoy.

Wasn't there a case not to long ago where wardens were bootstrapping game checks to go for drug violators so civil forfeiture could be invoked?
Seem to recall that it had something to do with ice fishing shanties.

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