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In the 2012-2013 trapping season, MN sold approximately 10,000 licenses. This year we wont break 6,000. Do you honestly thing even if we had a hundred or two nonresident licenses sold it would make a difference in harvest numbers? It's not speculation, it's basic math and the math says there will be no impact to populations.

I was wrong about the cities tags.


That being said, I still have not changed my opinion of not caring one way or the other, unless forced to vote. No matter how much support for or against nonresident trapping it still comes down to money. The DNR will not push for something that will not make them money.



Let's say you own a grocery store, and the cart boy wants you to start stocking a .10 cent pack of gum so his cousin the cart pusher across town will come to the store once a year to buy a pack. You have to order a case just for him, take up shelf space, pay someone to stock it, pay someone to rotate the old ones out. It will never happen.

Like everything else today, we have chosen to only think about ourselves. It will only lead to our demise. While it may be slow, it will come. Greed is a terrible thing and all the guys who want to make sure no one gets their beaver, fisher, martin are peeing in to a tornado with the hope of staying dry. Trapping is slowly fading away right in front of our eyes, as we are too short sighted to see that there is strength in numbers. I truly don't understand the mindset of not trying to grow our numbers and support (kids and non residents) while those who would love to shut us down grow in numbers every day. If we stay on the same path, and they will be successful in shutting down trapping or limiting it so badly, that most will voluntarily quit. And we'll have no one else to blame but ourselves.

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Same ole same ole

The answer to your question is yes, 20scout.
Mostly greed combined with a good dose of fear.

But that was your number one reason in your earlier post.

"Sorry, guys, Mike Kelly and I are fishing here and you should probably leave since we have already caught them all.
You are, however, welcome to stay and try your luck but you might find your efforts to be in vain.."

" Oh, sorry, Warden, I thought you were another fisherman. I have my license but I'm not sure about Mike...better check him."

And Mike Kelly feels "the wheels of the bus go round and round" as MnMan tosses him under.

BOGMASTER- I do believe there was NR trapping allowed in 1972. In some ways the question may be more, what would have changed but has not due to the MTA's activities since then.

During one point of the fur boom, Minnesota sold 25,000 trapping licenses. There was a miniscule number of non-resident license purchased. Mike Tucker whom was president of the Commercial Trappers of Minnesota had the numbers during the meeting I spoke of on page 1 of this thread. I cannot find that organization on the internet anymore.

Anytime trapper numbers go up, theft and territorial behavior goes up. That was apparent when COVID caused a spike this spring beaver run. The CO's around here were actually working that pretty hard.

SUCHLIKE hit it on the head IMO. We are perhaps more hindered by trappers fighting trappers that we are by antis. At any rate, we should be able to reduce that more than we can the effect of antis.

What EVERY Minnesotan that is against N.R. trapping doesn't seem to get is that there are 51,205,760 acres of federal land ( 6.8% of the state ) that belongs to EVERYONE in this country to use for legal recreational and commercial activities. Minnesota trappers against N.R.trapping are holding these lands hostage, as if they own sole rights of use as trapping grounds! Total B.S., whenever you guys need help think about how your stance on this issue is going to hurt you.

I know it is not pertinent to the issue of NR but you may want to double check your figures. MN is 86,000 square miles which is about 56 million acres. The way you have that written MN is over 95% federally owned. Your 6.8% may be correct but then that would be 3-4 million acres not 52 million. Just an FYI.

Bryce

Mike and I are good friends and have often fished together. I was only intending to have a little fun with him with no ill intentions. I would never throw him under a bus as you suggested.....maybe under something a little smaller like a bicycle.

Ringbill, NR trapping hasn't been allowed since the 20s.

BobMo could give an exact year.

Spot on! Too many "mine, mine, mine" greedy weasels out there for that. If you can't out trap a NR coming into your area, lol....

How come the guy that wants to trap in another State is not greedy? That was my motivation when I did it. Is the guy that takes this issue to court to get a Judge to change it greedy?

We are all greedy. Allocation fights are always about greed. There are winners and losers, but both sides are greedy. Give it a rest!

Its not greedy to expect a trappers organization to treat you the way your trappers organization treats them. Its the POS people who are scared of a little (and VERY LITTLE IT WOULD BE) competition for "Their Animals" holding back everyone else. No grandson from Ia can't come trap with grandpa from Mn, Some trapper from Wi living on the border can't catch a couple coons across the street, etc... Bunch of babies!

I have no desire to trap Mn, never have had but is total BS they are such babies that I couldn't if I wanted to. Anyone can come to our state and trap with the exact same regulations as the residents, as it should be in every state!

Yes, I do feel it will make a difference. Not really on animal harvest but as a way of showing people opposed or on the fence that there is nothing to fear. As I said, I quit caring years ago but I offered this up as a suggestion to take forward and try it. Most people can swallow change for 1 season but to make it permanent is a big change and people don’t like change.

Bryce, I stand corrected, you are right. There are 3,469,211 federal acres in minnesota, 6.8% of the roughly 52 million acres in your state. I might have been a little agitated last night when I posted those figures.This is a touchy subject for me ,as it seems to indicate greed and fear towards fellow trappers, from other states in OUR country.

I'm glad MN doesn't allow non residents to trap In MN. If they did they would be reciprocal and they would all head to ND to trap rats. LOL

Does Minnesota allow a NR to be MTA president. I nominate the beav he would get it done