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Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: Diggerman] #6973031
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Originally Posted by Diggerman

I guess my question is, When did complying with a cop become more important than him honoring my CONSTITUTIONAL rights? Anybody? How bout you LEO's? dont you gotta take a pledge or something? anyone care to post it? Does it say anything bout the Constitution?
When you harm others, fail to follow the law and put others in danger, you forfeit your rights.


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Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: Finster] #6973033
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Originally Posted by Finster
Originally Posted by Diggerman
I have a loaded pistol on my dash as we speak, in plain view, is that enough for a cop to shoot me? It is my constitutional right and it is legal in Wisconsin. So if a cop pulls me over and see's my gun, is it alright for him to demand I throw it out the window, if I touch it is it alright for him to then shoot me?
Finny, the guy does not NEED a reason to get in his car, that is also legal in all 50 states.
Why in the world did that cop to draw his weapon when he did?
Come on finny, give me a big ole "GOOD SHOOT" and get it over with, you know you want to. It meets one of your prerequisites, they shot him in the back, alot.

You tell me why the police drew when they did. You seem to know all about this. More than everyone else. Apparently you were there? You seem to have all the answers. More than the media, the bystanders, the police, the DA, they should all come to you so we can get this over with. Your little episode with a gun on your dash is pathetic and has nothing to do with what happened in the video. You are trying to distract with nonsense as usual. Let's stick to the facts.
1. The guy had a violent felony warrant for sexual assault
2. In the video, two police had guns drawn and were giving him lawful commands that he did not follow. That in an of it's self is a crime.
3. He ignores the officers commands and tries to get into a car. If he was trying to flee with a felony warrant, that's another felony.
Other than that, you don't know squat. I don't know squat. I look at the evidence and there is not enough to say if the shooting was justified or not. Play your little games and make your little judgements based on your wittle feelings. I'll wait and make my decision with evidence like an adult. .

Wow, you were there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1) they didnt have time to even ask his name, let alone run his record.
2) you do not draw your weapon unless there is a reason to use it, The cop had his weapon drawn almost the whole video. De-escalate means NOT drawin your weapon when nobody else has one.
3)see 1)

Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: Diggerman] #6973040
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Originally Posted by Diggerman

Wow, you were there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1) they didnt have time to even ask his name, let alone run his record.
2) you do not draw your weapon unless there is a reason to use it, The cop had his weapon drawn almost the whole video. De-escalate means NOT drawin your weapon when nobody else has one.
3)see 1)

How do you know this? You don't. It was a 20 second video that showed the very end. You didn't see any of the beginning. For all you know, they talked to the guy for an hour. None of that is on video. You should probably stop now, you are once again embarrassing yourself.


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Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: Finster] #6973042
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Originally Posted by Finster
Originally Posted by Diggerman

I guess my question is, When did complying with a cop become more important than him honoring my CONSTITUTIONAL rights? Anybody? How bout you LEO's? dont you gotta take a pledge or something? anyone care to post it? Does it say anything bout the Constitution?
When you harm others, fail to follow the law and put others in danger, you forfeit your rights.

get on your knees and Give your rights away all you want, I'll keep mine. Libertarian, meh, your a closet socialist.

Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: Finster] #6973044
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Originally Posted by Finster
Originally Posted by Diggerman

Wow, you were there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1) they didnt have time to even ask his name, let alone run his record.
2) you do not draw your weapon unless there is a reason to use it, The cop had his weapon drawn almost the whole video. De-escalate means NOT drawin your weapon when nobody else has one.
3)see 1)

How do you know this? You don't. It was a 20 second video that showed the very end. You didn't see any of the beginning. For all you know, they talked to the guy for an hour. None of that is on video. You should probably stop now, you are once again embarrassing yourself.

If you can make up crap, so can I.

Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: Diggerman] #6973050
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Originally Posted by Diggerman


If you can make up crap, so can I.

No, I posted obvious scenarios that could possibly explain why the police would have shot. What may have gone wrong. You are posting things as if they are facts and drawing conclusions because of it. That's a big difference. I on the other had have not drawn any conclusions because I'm an adult and do not have enough facts.

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Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: Howell Bros] #6973052
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Anybody who feels it’s necessary to exercise their “constitutional right” by reaching for their gun while talking to a cop is quite simply not too bright. That’s the only point I’m seeing being made

Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: Diggerman] #6973059
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Originally Posted by Diggerman

get on your knees and Give your rights away all you want, I'll keep mine. Libertarian, meh, your a closet socialist.
What does that even mean? Are you alright? Have a little too much drinky drink or something? Maybe have someone explain it to you. I'll have a little pity on you and see if I can explain it to a three year old. If you walk into a bank, pull out a gun and threaten to kill people if they don't give you the money, do you think maybe you have forfeited your rights at that point? Just maybe a little? One last thing. I'm a conservative not a Libertarian.

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Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: Diggerman] #6973110
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Originally Posted by Diggerman

I guess my question is, When did complying with a cop become more important than him honoring my CONSTITUTIONAL rights? Anybody? How bout you LEO's? dont you gotta take a pledge or something? anyone care to post it? Does it say anything bout the Constitution?


You signed that away when you accepted the privilege to drive a motor vehicle. It’s not uncommon, as many folks didn’t read the paperwork they signed to get the license.

That is unless you are driving without a license, in which case I would strongly suggest not having a loaded handgun on the dash for your traffic stop.


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Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: Diggerman] #6973111
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Originally Posted by Diggerman
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“FINISH HIM!”
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Yippe Kye Ah!!!


Who’s wanting to be Bruce Willis? lol


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Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: Finster] #6973164
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Originally Posted by Finster
Originally Posted by Diggerman

get on your knees and Give your rights away all you want, I'll keep mine. Libertarian, meh, your a closet socialist.
What does that even mean? Are you alright? Have a little too much drinky drink or something? Maybe have someone explain it to you. I'll have a little pity on you and see if I can explain it to a three year old. If you walk into a bank, pull out a gun and threaten to kill people if they don't give you the money, do you think maybe you have forfeited your rights at that point? Just maybe a little? One last thing. I'm a conservative not a Libertarian.

According to your logic, I could be shot in the back, numerous times, just because I "looked" like i was goin to rob a bank? Read all your little delusional scenarios in this thread, then tell me who is tippin back on the bubbly. You just equated driving a car with , get this, ROBBING A BANK.
Lets do a 180 back to the beginning, cop or not, it is never a good thing to shoot another person in the back. Cop or not, you can not violate another mans constitutional rights cause " he looks like hes gonna do sumptin bad". If you are so insecure as to have to shoot someone in the back, just maybe you picked the wrong career.

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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Originally Posted by Diggerman

I guess my question is, When did complying with a cop become more important than him honoring my CONSTITUTIONAL rights? Anybody? How bout you LEO's? dont you gotta take a pledge or something? anyone care to post it? Does it say anything bout the Constitution?


You signed that away when you accepted the privilege to drive a motor vehicle. It’s not uncommon, as many folks didn’t read the paperwork they signed to get the license.

That is unless you are driving without a license, in which case I would strongly suggest not having a loaded handgun on the dash for your traffic stop.

I really dont want to argue with you but , I did not give up my rights when I got my license. If you really are a cop, you really need to go back to cop school.

Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: Diggerman] #6973181
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Originally Posted by Diggerman

According to your logic, I could be shot in the back, numerous times, just because I "looked" like i was goin to rob a bank? Read all your little delusional scenarios in this thread, then tell me who is tippin back on the bubbly. You just equated driving a car with , get this, ROBBING A BANK.
Lets do a 180 back to the beginning, cop or not, it is never a good thing to shoot another person in the back. Cop or not, you can not violate another mans constitutional rights cause " he looks like hes gonna do sumptin bad". If you are so insecure as to have to shoot someone in the back, just maybe you picked the wrong career.

Yup, my fault about the robbing the bank scenario. I was trying to explain how you forfeit your rights. I was trying to explain it so a 3 year old could understand it. My bad, I should have went with the 2 year old version. Obviously you missed the point. Secondly, and once again you are jumping to conclusions here. How do you know that's what the officer was thinking? You don't. You don't know what that officer saw. For all you know there was a gun and the officer saw him going for it. You don't know squat and neither do I. However, you do have the entire thing judged in your little mind with no evidence. I watch the video again and counted. It's 7 seconds long and shows very little. But hey, keep posting. I love watching you embarrass yourself.


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Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: Diggerman] #6973202
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Originally Posted by Diggerman

I really dont want to argue with you but , I did not give up my rights when I got my license. If you really are a cop, you really need to go back to cop school.


Sorry, you agreed to comply with LE when you got your license. This includes consequences when you don’t, which may escalate.


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My comments have very little to do with the video, but more so on the reasons there is a video. The authoritarian mindset of some cops and poor training are why these videos keep surfacing. It is interesting to read the views of real Leos on here as I have not been in their shoes and never will. Its the bootlicken cheerleaders that muck up the whole thread. Maybe Hobby can take you on a ride-along and you can do a report on it for career day at school.

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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
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I really dont want to argue with you but , I did not give up my rights when I got my license. If you really are a cop, you really need to go back to cop school.


Sorry, you agreed to comply with LE when you got your license. This includes consequences when you don’t, which may escalate.

So I have to let you search my car?

Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6973210
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For the record, I’m not a cop. lol With the recent fiasco of renewing a driver’s license, I actually read what we agreed to just to obtain one.


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Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: Diggerman] #6973215
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Originally Posted by Diggerman
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Sorry, you agreed to comply with LE when you got your license. This includes consequences when you don’t, which may escalate.

So I have to let you search my car?


Do you have to get out of the car?


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Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6973228
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Originally Posted by Diggerman
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Do you have to get out of the car?



So I have to let you search my car?


You have to comply with lawful orders from a police officer. If he asks you to get out of the car, you do it. If you think your rights are being violated, you take him to court and figure it out there. The side of the road is not where this is to be done, a courtroom is. The only thing you will achieve at the side of the road is an escalation and charges.
A police officer needs permission, a warrant or probable cause to search a vehicle. Or in many states if not all, they can inventory your car after an arrest. It varies state to state somewhat but some states allow an officer to search a vehicle once a person has been detained. However, only the areas where a driver has immediate access. In other words, they would not be allowed to search the trunk of a car without a warrant, permission from you or probable cause. However, this can be dangerous from an evidence point of view because anything found before an arrest without a warrant, permission or probable cause has a possibility of being thrown out of evidence. A good lawyer can often get that done. It is meant more for checking for weapons for the safety of the officer.

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Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: Finster] #6973244
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Originally Posted by Finster
It is meant more for checking for weapons for the safety of the officer.


So now we are back to the question does the officers RIGHT to safety trump a “suspect’s” RIGHT and who granted that?


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