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Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: Howell Bros] #6973439
08/25/20 02:13 PM
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Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: Howell Bros] #6973441
08/25/20 02:15 PM
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Here' the simple instructions on how to interact with the police:

go to youtube and look for Chris Rock "how not to.....by the police"

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Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: Finster] #6973453
08/25/20 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Finster
Originally Posted by 2020
Here's what I see, Small built man in my opinion, calmly walks away from 2 men , His back towards 2 other men, no threat, not putting the 2 other mens in a life threatening position , opens up car door, the police feel that instead of the old head lock move to subdue the man, decides to Pump several bullets in his back.

I guess i missed the part where the polices lives were in danger and they had no other means to control the situation but with their Pistol- I hope someone can point out the facts to me how this wouldn't be declared a attempted murder charge or something to that effect.

Be Kind to Others !

What you are not seeing is a man that had an active warrant for his arrest for the crimes of 3rd degree sexual assault (of a 15yo it turns out) and domestic violence. who just assaulted at least two police officers,(another felony) resisted arrest (Felony) by "walking away" he is now trying to elude arrest (Felony) and walks to his car ignoring lawful orders the entire time (more offences) Now this upstanding citizen opens a car door still ignoring lawful orders and reaches in the car for something. Yup, sounds like an upstanding citizen to me. Perhaps when he gets out of the hospital you can have him over for tea?


I don't know whether people who think Mr. Blake had the right to just walk away and stick his hand in that car are guided by some life experience of getting arrested; are in fact criminals themselves or are just dense.

I despise a society where the police have too much power but this event is not even remotely close to that society.

Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: Howell Bros] #6973473
08/25/20 03:00 PM
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The way things are going If I were a cop I would have got back In my ride and let the guy take off.


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Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: Howell Bros] #6973477
08/25/20 03:04 PM
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7 pages of back and forth. I dont like cops interaction with them never go well but I would have shot that guy before he made it to the door. Dont see how the cops to blame here.

Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: Matt28] #6973478
08/25/20 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt28
7 pages of back and forth. I dont like cops interaction with them never go well but I would have shot that guy before he made it to the door. Dont see how the cops to blame here.

Meh, I would say 7 pages of trying to point out the unbelievably obvious. wink


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Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: Finster] #6973482
08/25/20 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Finster
Originally Posted by Matt28
7 pages of back and forth. I dont like cops interaction with them never go well but I would have shot that guy before he made it to the door. Dont see how the cops to blame here.

Meh, I would say 7 pages of trying to point out the unbelievably obvious. wink


That pretty much sums it up.

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Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: Howell Bros] #6973491
08/25/20 03:18 PM
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Sexually assaulting a miner? i say justice served.

Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: The Beav] #6973495
08/25/20 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by The Beav
The way things are going If I were a cop I would have got back In my ride and let the guy take off.


And when he kills the kids in the van trying to get away?

Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: logger coffey] #6973497
08/25/20 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by logger coffey
Sexually assaulting a miner minor? i say justice served.

Fixed it wink

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Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: Howell Bros] #6973501
08/25/20 03:27 PM
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Yea, thanks ,my blood pressure gets up i tend to just beat the keys.

Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: Blaine County] #6973516
08/25/20 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Originally Posted by Finster
If that is the law in your state then that is the law. If you don't like the law, you work to change the law. What else can I tell you?


State law does not trump the 4th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. But that is irrelevant in this discussion.




Irrelevant in this conversation true. However, this has been ruled on by the Supreme court and recently. In fact it has changed a little since I was in college. It is legal to search for weapons within the occupants reach with certain stipulations. It does not go against the 4th. here's a link:

https://iupa.org/supreme-court-changes-law-on-vehicle-searches/#:~:text=In%20Gant%20v.%20Arizona%2C%20the%20officers%20had%20stopped,to%20formulate%20a%20new%20rule%20regarding%20these%20searches.

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Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: Howell Bros] #6973519
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Perhaps when he gets out of the hospital you can have him over for tea?


I guess what I'm trying to get across Fister, And Ill try to explain it so even you might be able to understand my explanation, is Why did they just let him get up and walk calmly away and not put hands on the second he got 2 steps away- ? But instead, waited for him to walk all the way around the car before they took action?

Be Kind Too others!

Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: Howell Bros] #6973527
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Originally Posted by Finster
[quote=Blaine County]Irrelevant in this conversation true. However, this has been ruled on by the Supreme court and recently. In fact it has changed a little since I was in college. It is legal to search for weapons within the occupants reach with certain stipulations. It does not go against the 4th. here's a link:

https://iupa.org/supreme-court-changes-law-on-vehicle-searches/#:~:text=In%20Gant%20v.%20Arizona%2C%20the%20officers%20had%20stopped,to%20formulate%20a%20new%20rule%20regarding%20these%20searches.


No debate here on bold text.

Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: 2020] #6973530
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Originally Posted by 2020
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Perhaps when he gets out of the hospital you can have him over for tea?


I guess what I'm trying to get across Fister, And Ill try to explain it so even you might be able to understand my explanation, is Why did they just let him get up and walk calmly away and not put hands on the second he got 2 steps away- ? But instead, waited for him to walk all the way around the car before they took action?

Be Kind Too others!



You'll never get it. It would take common sense. I suggest you read back through the posts. I'm not about to rehash 7 pages because you are too lazy to read and have serious comprehension issues. Read a little, you may learn something although I have my doubts.

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Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: 2020] #6973531
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Originally Posted by 2020
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Perhaps when he gets out of the hospital you can have him over for tea?


I guess what I'm trying to get across Fister, And Ill try to explain it so even you might be able to understand my explanation, is Why did they just let him get up and walk calmly away and not put hands on the second he got 2 steps away- ? But instead, waited for him to walk all the way around the car before they took action?

Be Kind Too others!




Cell phones and law suits are the reason police officers rarely use non-lethal force to subdue the bad guys anymore. It always looks bad when you club a bad guy, punch them or put them in a choke hold.

Keith

Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: Howell Bros] #6973532
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You can say what you want to say. But In my opinion that cop or those cops are screwed.


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Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: Blaine County] #6973553
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I don't know whether people who think Mr. Blake had the right to just walk away and stick his hand in that car are guided by some life experience of getting arrested; are in fact criminals themselves or are just dense.

I despise a society where the police have too much power but this event is not even remotely close to that society. [/quote]



A society where cops are the judge and jury is not acceptable either.

Should a guy that says F u to the cops and then goes about his business get gunned down ?

Of course we don't know the whole story . Did the cops know his back story ?

Did the thug reach for a gun ?


It all changes with all the facts . If he had reached for a gun I don't think it would be kept a secret at this point but idk


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Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: AntiGov] #6973561
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Originally Posted by AntiGov


A society where cops are the judge and jury is not acceptable either.

Should a guy that says F u to the cops and then goes about his business get gunned down ? No, but lawyers have taken every other option away.

Of course we don't know the whole story . Did the cops know his back story ? could very well have as they wear radios. In that event Mr Blake would have heard them receive that information.

Did the thug reach for a gun ?


It all changes with all the facts . If he had reached for a gun I don't think it would be kept a secret at this point but idk


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Re: It’s about to get crazy again in Wi [Re: AntiGov] #6973567
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AntiGov, He doesn't have to reach for a gun. The cop has to have a reasonable belief he could be reaching for a gun. The same would be true for you if you are defending yourself. As for cops being the judge and jury, we are saying the exact same thing.

Why is this so hard?????

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