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Re: Body Grip triggers for coon [Re: HayDay] #6979028
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We have to use 160's here, i use pic #1 with the tip of the horizontal trigger pointing down


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Re: Body Grip triggers for coon [Re: cheechako] #6979064
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Originally Posted by cheechako
In boxes he said to put the trigger on top to the inside of the box and bend them almost straight back toward the bait.
In essence the same concept for using pan triggers. Position the animal within the jaws of the trap to obtain a consistent quick humane dispatch.


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Re: Body Grip triggers for coon [Re: HayDay] #6979214
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Originally Posted by HayDay

, but with less than optimum strikes.



how high is the front of the box jacked up?
I found 1"-1.5" dia stick under the front gets em to hit the wires (on bottom) or pan pretty fast and consistent.

Are you blending the box in, like draping local debris over it, and a vine or 2 or grass over the trap itself?


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Re: Body Grip triggers for coon [Re: HayDay] #6979321
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For now, these are test boxes in my barn.....not hidden as there is no need to. Coon are aggressive to the point of being obnoxious about it. At one point back in July, I documented as many as 15 in my barn per night. They have stripped entire fruit trees, riddled gardens, etc. For now I'm treating this as nuisance work for myself. So probably not going to be setting a lot of boxes or setting trails. But if things change with fur prices, the opportunity is there. Could probably catch 50+ within a mile of my house.

First adult I went after managed to get in the barn, then on top of my shop, found a small hole I didn't know was there, so got inside my enclosed shop. Tore up a lot of stuff, and even used a shelf I store some tools and trapping stuff on as a latrine......and soiled of all things......a pair of body grip setters. That was just begging for it. Not trusting the smaller traps, left a 220 in a square bucket inside the shop and got that one the third night. Front was elevated on a 2 x 4, trigger pattern #5......and she got halfway through trap before it fired. Suit case strike on neck and middle of the back. Took a while. A long while. (BTW, 220 was a tuned Belisle)

Last one was a 5 x 5 in a box....not elevated.......trigger #2......but V not wide enough. About a 10# kit that stopped at trap and grabbed triggers with a paw. Trap fired and caught it just in front of the ears. Took a while. (all catches caught on game cameras). What that indicated to me was refusal.....so need a more open pathway and trigger setup that fires the trap just about when their ears are below that front bar, so it will catch them behind the ears. These are powerful traps, so if you can get the strike right, they should turn the lights out no problem.

BTW, we can use 160's and even 220's, but they have to be set inside a building and at least 6 feet off the ground. That may also be doable with this rowdy bunch, but for now want to decide on using the 5 x 5''s so I can use them in more places than just a barn. Legally at least.

Re: Body Grip triggers for coon [Re: HayDay] #6980076
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In a building AND six feet off the ground ?

Re: Body Grip triggers for coon [Re: HayDay] #6980092
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I can't see how a pan can be of any value when using a BG In a trail set. I just twist the trigger wires together and place them dead center In the trap opening on my 160s I use In my trail sets.
I can't see how a pan would work for a coon box. The coons head will be 6" ahead of It's feet as It enters the box. I can see It working on small critters like mink and marten and fisher but not coon.

Tune the BG trigger and most of your problems go away.


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Re: Body Grip triggers for coon [Re: HayDay] #6980095
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From MDC regulations.......it seems they are not keen on using dry land body grips in MO........or snares either.

Conibear or Killing-type traps must comply with the following:

With a jaw spread greater than 5 inches, may be set underwater, but not in any dry land set
With a jaw spread not greater than 8 inches, may be set 6 feet or more above ground level in buildings


I'm guessing main concern is with domestic pets...........and that may be a valid concern in many areas of the state.

Re: Body Grip triggers for coon [Re: HayDay] #6980185
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If those are your BG regs I'd find a different way to catch coon.


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Re: Body Grip triggers for coon [Re: The Beav] #6980202
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Originally Posted by The Beav
I can't see how a pan can be of any value when using a BG In a trail set. I just twist the trigger wires together and place them dead center In the trap opening on my 160s I use In my trail sets.
I can't see how a pan would work for a coon box. The coons head will be 6" ahead of It's feet as It enters the box. I can see It working on small critters like mink and marten and fisher but not coon.
I agree pan triggers are not for trail sets as the animal may often step/jump over them. A pan trigger set up when placed close to the bait relative to the target animal (coon) stance will obtain consistent catches. The objective is to position the animal stable within the jaws of the trap at the appropriate distance from the bait for the target species so you get a consistent humane neck/thorax strike. This occurs because they are stable at the bait with their neck through the trap jaws with a foot or jaw pressing down on the pan, depending on the height of the pan above the cubby or box floor, while working the bait. The animal is not traveling thru the trap jaws to get to the bait.

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Re: Body Grip triggers for coon [Re: HayDay] #6980213
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Think of it as a snare with jaws. Right height , dead center


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Re: Body Grip triggers for coon [Re: trappergbus] #6980214
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Originally Posted by trappergbus
Think of it as a snare with jaws. Right height , dead center
Correct, thank you.


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Re: Body Grip triggers for coon [Re: HayDay] #6980456
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Bctomcat is correct. Pans are the answer when using boxes in my opinion as well. I use belisle 220ís and pans, they always get struck behind the ears and 95% are dead in the box, trap never moved. With 160ís When mink are around Iíll use a pan or a V facing up. If just coon Iíll do the one going down the side and other going across the top

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Re: Body Grip triggers for coon [Re: scotiantrapper] #6980802
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Originally Posted by scotiantrapper
Bctomcat is correct. Pans are the answer when using boxes in my opinion as well. I use belisle 220ís and pans, they always get struck behind the ears and 95% are dead in the box, trap never moved. With 160ís When mink are around Iíll use a pan or a V facing up. If just coon Iíll do the one going down the side and other going across the top


Trigger for the pan to the rear with pan facing out? Or to the front, with pan facing in to bait? May not seem like a difference, but seems to me it could move strike location forward or back by nearly 2 inches? If so, that would matter.

Re: Body Grip triggers for coon [Re: HayDay] #6980825
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Originally Posted by HayDay
Trigger for the pan to the rear with pan facing out? Or to the front, with pan facing in to bait? May not seem like a difference, but seems to me it could move strike location forward or back by nearly 2 inches? If so, that would matter.

In order to function properly a pan trigger must angle up about 20 degrees over the back-trap jaw with the trigger dog pointing to the box entrance. The trigger should be set up so it takes a bit of pressure to fire, no trigger waxing.

If set to level the pan may hang up on the box bottom and not release from the dog thus, requiring additional pressure to release and fire the trap.


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Re: Body Grip triggers for coon [Re: HayDay] #6980856
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So the pan is toward the bait at the back of the box but close to the pan?

Re: Body Grip triggers for coon [Re: HayDay] #6980864
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Yes the pan is toward the bait at the back of the box close to the bait appropriate for the target animals stance. You want the animal stable at the bait with its head and neck thru the jaws when it fires the trap with its feet or chin pressing the trigger down while it is working the bait.


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Re: Body Grip triggers for coon [Re: HayDay] #6980878
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When you set these 160's and 220's with pans......do you get single bar neck strikes or suit case them with double strikes?

I ask, as I've got dozens of game camera videos of coons going in and out of my buckets and boxes (no traps in them) and it seems to me they always stick their neck out far forward of where their feet are. Just watching the videos it looks like their neck would always be centered to past center when the trap would fire.

Perhaps that changes when the trap is set in the back near the bait and they are not longer traveling, but have stopped and are sniffing and reaching?

Re: Body Grip triggers for coon [Re: HayDay] #6980883
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BTW, going over the videos, found something I missed the first time. Two kits are in a bucket and having a nasty wrestling match that spills out of the bucket and continues for a bit. Then one goes back in for the prize........a tin can with about 1/4 cup dry cat food that had been laced with a sweet/smokey BBQ sauce (Show Me brand if it matters). Never did find the can. Later video revealed why.......coon put tin can it's mouth and left with it.

Re: Body Grip triggers for coon [Re: HayDay] #6980896
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Originally Posted by HayDay
When you set these 160's and 220's with pans......do you get single bar neck strikes or suit case them with double strikes?
Perhaps that changes when the trap is set in the back near the bait and they are not longer traveling, but have stopped and are sniffing and reaching?
It depends on the size of the animal and its stance at the trap. An example is marten and fisher with 120 pan trap. With the trap placed within 4-5" of the bait, for mink, marten and fisher you will get a consistent humane neck/thorax catch virtually every time. The reason being that they are stable at the bait and standing on the pan or bumping it with their head/neck while working the bait, not moving through the trap to get to the bait. Mink and marten, due to their size, will get a neck/thorax strike consistently as they will be committed further into the trap than the larger fisher. The fisher, at the 4=5 inch set back, will have its feet in front of the trap pan with only its neck thru the trap jaws when it fires the trap by pushing down on the pan with its chin while working the bait. Thus resulting in a neck strike to the base of the skull and neck.
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And coon?

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