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Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: danny clifton] #7011128
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The universe as we know it is a particle within an electron of an atom in a single celled organism living in effluvium on another world within another universe which is a particle.....


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: danny clifton] #7011149
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^^^^^
Boco, that's not a new thought. Some friends and I came up with that one while sitting around a campfire in about 1975.
I think we were speculating about how many universes might be in a fingernail.

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Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: Starcraft_Dart] #7011151
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Originally Posted by Starcraft_Dart
Religion started when the first conman met the first fool.

As a Christian I would agree with you in some respects.
"Religion" is man's attempt to reach God; impossible.
Christianity is about God's attempt to reach man.


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Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: danny clifton] #7011157
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Originally Posted by danny clifton


I personally have always thought time may not be linear. Instead no beginning or end. (article doesnt mention that but tends IMO to support the idea)


I always thought that is what the concensus was. Time just equals distance x speed. If you run out of distance (space) then what is on the otherside? And if there is something on the otherside what is on the otherside of that...in perpetuum...

Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: danny clifton] #7011168
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How do you know GOD didn't create everything with a big bang? Were you there does he run things by us before he does it? One other point why does religion and science always disagree ? Look at the past history of both not the best .

Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: danny clifton] #7011172
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The One who created us is beyond our understanding. There is no word we have that is capable of describing Him. Words like amazing, awesome, etc fall short.

I always wondered how it was possible He could hear all our prayers when I would see huge cities all around the world. If only a small portion of inhabitants of every city in the world prayed to Him, how was it possible that He would hear them all? Impossible!!Then I read things like all the hairs on everyone's heads were numbered and that not even an insignificant sparrow would fall to earth without His knowledge. We are incapable of imagining the greatness of God.


The difference between animals and humans is that animals would never let the dumbest ones lead the pack.
Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: danny clifton] #7011177
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Mere humans trying to understand creation is akin to a bug trying to contemplate quantum mechanics.


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Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: Foxpaw] #7011184
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Originally Posted by Foxpaw
0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34 it all adds up.


55, 89, 144..... do I win anything good?

Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: Boco] #7011191
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Originally Posted by Boco
Mere humans trying to understand creation is akin to a bug trying to contemplate quantum mechanics.

Good comparison.


The difference between animals and humans is that animals would never let the dumbest ones lead the pack.
Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: danny clifton] #7011206
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Understanding is the reward of faith. Therefore, seek not to understand that you may believe, but believe that you may understand.

- Augustine of Hippo

Atheist scientists often claim that "doubt," and "skepticism," opposed to faith, are the virtues of a scientist, because as atheist Carl Sagan believed, we have no right to value human life over anything else. That was Sagan's definition of "humble."

His view is a faith by it's very definition.
We all have faith in something.

Blessings,
Mark


Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: Boco] #7011213
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Originally Posted by Boco
The universe as we know it is a particle within an electron of an atom in a single celled organism living in effluvium on another world within another universe which is a particle.....

...on the head of a pin.


Life ain't supposed to be easy.
Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: rex123] #7011217
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Originally Posted by rex123
How do you know GOD didn't create everything with a big bang? Were you there does he run things by us before he does it? One other point why does religion and science always disagree ? Look at the past history of both not the best .

I don't think a "big bang" would insure clean water being stored in the ground . Or the breeze to blow so pollen can travel to other plants, or bees to carry pollen to other plants. Or rain to fall from the sky to make the plants. Or baby spiders to weave little umbrellas so the breeze can carry them away to start their life. Iron ore, natural gas, oil, copper? It's all too intricate to have happened per chance.

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Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: Boco] #7011218
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Originally Posted by Boco
The universe as we know it is a particle within an electron of an atom in a single celled organism living in effluvium on another world within another universe which is a particle.....


This is very similar to my favorite theory of universes. The similarity between the shape and behavior of solar systems and atoms is similar enough to lend credence.

But you’re still an ejit.


Eh...wot?

Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: danny clifton] #7011221
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Your thoughts are worth as much as mine or anyone else's . Read what I wrote .I didn't say God didn't create I said maybe he used the big bang or something like it to do it .This is the problem with science and religion always trying to talk over each other and not hearing.

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Originally Posted by Mark June
Understanding is the reward of faith. Therefore, seek not to understand that you may believe, but believe that you may understand.

- Augustine of Hippo

Atheist scientists often claim that "doubt," and "skepticism," opposed to faith, are the virtues of a scientist, because as atheist Carl Sagan believed, we have no right to value human life over anything else. That was Sagan's definition of "humble."

His view is a faith by it's very definition.
We all have faith in something.

Blessings,
Mark



Excellent words, Mark. "Science" has become a religion. A lot of scientists practice Scientism. Many have an agenda they are pushing or are bought and pushing someone else's agenda. Many just want the grant money to keep their jobs. Many are looking for data that will "prove" their hypothesis and ignore anything that counters it. Unbiased scientists are almost as rare as unbiased media members. Almost. Kudos to the few(at least percentage-wise) good ones left chasing down truths.


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Originally Posted by Mark June
Understanding is the reward of faith. Therefore, seek not to understand that you may believe, but believe that you may understand.

- Augustine of Hippo

Atheist scientists often claim that "doubt," and "skepticism," opposed to faith, are the virtues of a scientist, because as atheist Carl Sagan believed, we have no right to value human life over anything else. That was Sagan's definition of "humble."

His view is a faith by it's very definition.
We all have faith in something.

Blessings,
Mark


Based on one definition of religion, atheism is a form of religion.
"Pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance".


The difference between animals and humans is that animals would never let the dumbest ones lead the pack.
Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: Starcraft_Dart] #7011236
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Originally Posted by Starcraft_Dart
Religion started when the first conman met the first fool.


Well you are the first person to mention religion on this thread. So which one of those two are you?

At every turn, the oldest and most reliable history book, the Bible, confirms science and vice versa. No need to bring religion into it. Unless of course, you don't understand what religion actually is, but that's a topic for a totally different discussion than the origin of natural things.

Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: danny clifton] #7011252
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The Egyptians were worshiping their gods long before the god of Abraham came along.

Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: Starcraft_Dart] #7011271
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Originally Posted by Starcraft_Dart
The Egyptians were worshiping their gods long before the god of Abraham came along.


Not an accurate sentence.
After the flood, Noah's son Ham had 4 sons and one was Mizraim (Gen: 10:6).
Mizraim is commonly known in anthropology as the original name of Egypt.
Modern Egyptians today still call themselves Misr.
The God of Abraham predates all things.

Blessings,
Mark

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Re: big bang was not the beginning? [Re: danny clifton] #7011278
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I dont believe the ark legend is true


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